ELIAS: ďI have stated many times, this shift in consciousness is limited to this dimension. This is YOUR choice within this dimension upon this planet in this reality, and in this you may be allowing yourselves to drop these veils within your singularly focused attention and allow yourselves to be interactive and viewing of so very much more of your reality that you create within essence. This offers you the opportunity to view and participate within the action of transition, which until recently, so to speak, in relative terms, individuals have chosen merely to engage the action of transition after disengaging physical focus.
ďDisengagement of physical focus, as you are most probably aware, is that moment that you choose, which you DO choose, to be disengaging of this manifestation, or what you commonly address to be death. I do not choose to engage the word death, for there is no death. There is merely emergence, which is birth. Therefore, at the moment of disengagement, you are birthed, not Ďdeathed.í (Grinning, obviously pleased with the word Ďdeathed.í Elias is full of himself tonight!)
ďBut within this action of being birthed and an emergence, you enter into an action which is termed to be a transition. This transition is to be shedding completely of the objective awareness and the belief systems held within the objective awareness, that you may re-emerge Ė not newly emerge, but re-emerge Ė yourselves into non-physical focus and move into whatever direction you choose to move within, for you are within a continual state of becoming, and that is what you are. Therefore, if you inquire, ĎWhat am I?í or ĎWho am I?,í you are essence and you are within a continual state of becoming. This is consciousness. This is essence. This is you.Ē [session 284, May 30, 1998]
ELIAS: ď... you continuously follow your intent throughout your entirety of your focus; in the moments that you choose not to be, you disengage.Ē [session 983, January 18, 2002]
ELIAS: ďI have expressed to you previously that although you view the action of death as moving into an area of consciousness where you shall be incorporating the position of ĎGodí and Ďknowing all,í you shall never know all, for you are continuously, as are all essences, as is The Creating Universal One And Whole also, in a continuous state of becoming; ever-changing, ever in motion. There is no destination.í Therefore, it is not contradictory that one essence may choose to be incorporating physical focus and also hold a wider awareness than an essence, so to speak, which is not incorporating physical focus; but within your belief systems, you believe yourselves to be occupying this planet as a Ďlower plane of evolutioní within your spirituality.
(Humorously) As I have stated many times, there are no planes or levels. There are only differences within choices of probabilities and areas of consciousness, to which you allow yourselves the awareness of more or less of essence; within your thinking element, not your brain! For your physical brain does not Ďfollowí you within nonphysical focus! Although within energy, it may!Ē [session 111, August 11, 1996]
VICKI: ďWhat is the relationship between your body consciousness and your personality consciousness after you croak? For example, is there any significance to whether you choose to be buried or cremated, or whatever means you choose before you die?
ELIAS: Yes, there is significance. There is significance to all of your choices. Therefore, the choice that you make in disengaging from a particular focus also holds significance. If you are choosing to be cremated, or if you are choosing to be disengaging by fire in another manner, this is significance in your disconnection from physical body consciousness within a particular focus; a complete re-assimilation of energy, a complete movement of energy away from physical focus. Within a choice to remain, you also hold aspects within the body consciousness. This may be difficult for your understanding.
Your body holds its own consciousness; for each cell, each molecule of your body holds individual consciousness, and together they hold a mass event consciousness, which you will designate as your body consciousness. In this, as you choose to disengage a particular physical focus, you may also choose not to completely disengage a physical focus. Therefore, you shall allow an aspect of your energy, of your consciousness, to assimilate into the body consciousness, which will then change form and assimilate into other consciousness, remaining within this physical focus.
If you are choosing to be entirely disengaging the consciousness from a particular physical focus, then you will choose a process, or what you term to be a method, that will not re-assimilate your energy into existing energy within this dimension and focus. Therefore, you will remove the body consciousness also.
In holding aspects of your consciousness within physical focus, you may choose to do this in different manners. You may choose to reconstruct your energy, and assimilate it into natural elements of your Earth. You may also choose to assimilate your energy into creature energy. This would be accomplished by disengaging physical focus being eaten. If you are consumed by another creature, that creature assimilates your energy; not in its entirety, but an aspect of your energy, which allows you a continuation within physical focus.Ē [session 136, November 24, 1996]
VICKI: ďOkay, I have questions regarding transition, this being another question from Jessele [Margot]. Sheís wondering about this belief system that says if you die traumatically or within a sudden accident that you need some help, some sort of rescuing as a result of this traumatic death, and is curious what you have to say.
ELIAS: Shall we move now into our most holy metaphysical religious realm? This being a commandment, I believe! Rescue those within violent death! I perceive no incense or cymbals clicking! (Laughter)
This, once again, is a belief system. Individuals may choose to be disengaging physical focus within what you view to be drastic or traumatic events. This is not indicative of needing helpfulness. Just as you view suicide as crying for helpfulness, within consciousness this is an action which is accomplished as the individual is not fulfilling their value fulfillment within a particular focus.
Each individual chooses the method, if you will, of their departure from physical focus. Some individuals choose to be moving into a departure within this manner for many different reasons. Some choose a drama as their final act within physical focus. Some choose to be disengaging in what they believe within their belief systems as quickly and painlessly. Many individuals do not believe that they may accomplish disengaging physical focus within their sleep state. Although they may choose within wishful thinking to be engaging this action, they do not believe that they may accomplish this, but hold fearfulness of this action or event that you term to be death. Therefore, they choose to be engaging this event quickly. There are other reasons also as to why an individual may choose these types of disengagement, just as there are many reasons why individuals choose to be disengaging within the creation of disease. These are all choices.
As to the issue that these individuals are needing of more helpfulness than any other individual, this is incorrect. There are individuals which engage the action of death quietly, without drama, and do not accept and realize that they have engaged this action for they do not allow themselves objectively to move into the area of transition, of which we have spoken previously. These individuals may be requiring of assistance in information as to their position within consciousness, but this has no bearing upon their choice of method of disengagement.
VICKI: Her feeling is that her grandson has already partially engaged this action of transition. Is this correct?
VICKI: My other question in this area is, I remember quite a while ago you talking about some people choosing to remanifest rather quickly as a result of some sort of trauma.
ELIAS: This would not be necessarily trauma within the action of death; but within the experience of the focus, an individual may choose to be disengaging from one focus and thrusting themselves into another focus intentionally, allowing, to your way of thinking, no transitional time period.
VICKI: And so then they would be entering that focus with most of their belief systems still intact?
ELIAS: Quite correct, and also with much identification of the previous focus. Many of these individuals experience much conflict within this thrusting into another focus. These individuals also, many times in your terms, do not adjust to objective consciousness in the new focus. Therefore, they retreat into more subjectivity, which will appear to you as insanity or being Ďnot normal.í
DREW: Iíd like to ask about the subject of suicide. Once again, you bring up a subject that Iíve been thinking about all week.
BOB: Oh, Drew! (Bob, you crack me up!)
DREW: I donít mean personally! (Much laughter)
ELIAS: (Grinning) I am quite understanding! We shall not be holding funeral services for you!
DREW: I do have a couple of friends for whom thatís an issue. You mentioned that a violent death or suicide can be a way of disengaging as a result of not fulfilling value. Can they also be in alignment with value fulfillment?
ELIAS: Yes. As we have spoken previously, some individuals may also choose this act within helpfulness of other individuals. There are many aspects of why an individual may choose to be engaging this type of event. More of your time, you may say, these individuals hold dissatisfaction with the creation of reality that they manifest, and within objective awareness are not accomplishing their value fulfillment. Be understanding that value fulfillment is not singularly restricted to yourself. As you accomplish value fulfillment, it is for all consciousness. Therefore, if this is not being accomplished, you shall know this within you. You shall feel this. Therefore, you shall feel dissatisfaction and a wishing to disengage from the individual focus.
There are other instances where individuals may be choosing this event of suicide to be offering what I have expressed as a statement objectively for the attention of other individuals, which adds to the value fulfillment of all. You only place negative ideas upon these actions. In actuality, they are merely events within the movement of consciousness. They are not negative or positive. They merely are.
DREW: Itís possible then that within counterpart action or in subjective agreement, the action of suicide is not necessarily the result of any sort of dissatisfaction, but rather an action taken for the learning experience of all who are involved?
DREW: Objectively we are taught that when people talk of suicide, even jokingly, itís something that should be taken seriously. We also lean towards the belief that if we can prevent somebody from committing suicide, which Iím understanding we probably canít prevent anything that they choose to do, that we should try to prevent it, if possible. So Iím a little torn about getting signals from people that we should take seriously, about the possibility of them committing suicide, and what if anything we should do about that?
ELIAS: I express to you that this is a choice of the individual, although I do not express to you that you not take notice or that you be insensitive to this action; for within objective consciousness, regardless of the subjective reasoning of this action, the individual experiences tremendous dissatisfaction with their manifestation. Much confusion is incorporated within the focus. These individuals objectively are quite tormented, within your terms, experiencing much trauma. Therefore, in recognition of this, your helpfulness or supportiveness within energy may be, in some aspects, helpful to the individual objectively in reconciling their objective to subjective actions. This may not prevent the action which is being chosen, but you may offer conciliation to the individual, which may allow some calmness or reassurance within their choices.
You each look to your actions as needing an immediate observable outcome. You also hold expectations concerning these outcomes. Therefore, you approach an individual experiencing trauma. You offer helpfulness and you expect to objectively view a change, an affectingness. You have affected, but you may not objectively, within your time period, witness what you have affected. Consciousness is much more vast than the limitations of one focus. One focus is much more vast than you may imagine. Therefore, you may be quite affecting within other layers of this particular focus. Each act that you incorporate serves to be helpful to the accomplishment of value fulfillment of all, not only yourself. Therefore, you are being helpful to yourself in being helpful to another.
Many of your leaders within your history that you attach to religious elements have expressed many of these concepts, in that what you manifest to others you manifest to yourself. This is not a new concept. I offer to you that as you widen within your awareness, you shall more and more become aware of the interconnectedness of consciousness, and that what is manifest within another is manifest within you also. You are affecting of all, as all is affecting of you.
If you are wishing to be helpful to another individual, be the individual, and you shall know what is required. You may accomplish this quite efficiently. Allow yourself your empathic sense. Allow yourself the acknowledgment of your inner senses, and in this, be what you seek to help. Therefore, you shall understand and you shall direct yourself in how to be accomplishing. Be remembering that offering is useless with expectation. Offering is meaningful and helpful within the purity of offering with no expectation.
DREW: Why does expectation taint the offering?
ELIAS: For you hold a value judgment.
DREW: It becomes a manipulation?
DREW: Is not fulfilling value a choice?
DREW: So if someone is considering disengagement because their value is not being fulfilled, thatís a choice that could be changed.
ELIAS: Yes, but you may not change this.
DREW: I understand. We can only try to understand and help the individual understand, and then let them make their choice.
ELIAS: And you may be influencing. You may not choose and you may not create reality for another individual, but you may be influencing.
DREW: By helping them understand things that they may not have understood before?
ELIAS: Quite; this being the reason that I encourage your interaction continuously. You discount your objectivity as being unimportant imagery. Therefore, you discount yourselves and your understanding. You offer each other much helpfulness within exchange. I have also expressed to you that exchange within physical focus verbally is helpful to actualization, for you produce a thought within energy and manifest physically through verbalization. You create a chemical reaction which is actual. It is another action within physical focus. Your thoughts are one action. They are reality. They are energy. Verbalization of these thoughts is another action which holds a different reality and becomes physical.Ē [session 159, March 23, 1997]
ELIAS: ďWithin the beginnings, so to speak, of our sessions, I was offering to the individuals within that forum an exercise, to be not only noting but to physically be writing down every moment that they were invalidating of self or responding within a belief system. (1) You may be responding in what you term to be positive or negative. It matters not. But as you recognize each response, you also may offer yourself information in how you align with belief systems; for you may be responding to an individual which may comment to you that their parent has disengaged physical focus. Their parent has died, and your immediate response within your belief systems may be to be expressing, ĎOh, I am so very sorry.í Why??? (Laughter) No negativity has occurred with this individual. This individual has chosen intentionally to be disengaging physical focus. This individual moves to the area of transition and offers themselves more choices. Therefore, why shall you be sorry?
This is a belief system. It is an automatic response, which you do continuously! You may recognize in your response, which you do not view to be negative ... you are being consoling and concerned! But you may recognize in this response that you are also aligning with a mass belief system, and in this you are lending energy to the perpetuation of this mass belief system. You are also reinforcing your own belief system of negative elements attached to the action of death and lending energy to your own belief systems of fearfulness, within one consoling statement.
NORMA: But then youíre talking about denying feeling, about not accepting feelings, because thatís part of the feeling! Like someone leaves this focus, and then you miss that person. Itís not like, ĎWell, I understand that he went because he wanted to.í But I miss him anyway! So what about that?
ELIAS: This is quite real! I am not ... NOT ... expressing to you to be denying of any of your feelings, any of your emotions, any of your thoughts! I am merely expressing to you to be recognizing the framework which those thoughts and feelings are being expressed within. This is not to say that these are wrong expressions, for there is no wrong. This is not to express to you to deny yourself, for this is your reality! This is not to express to you that you may not offer consolation, within genuine reality in feelings, to another individual. Merely recognize that this expression stems from a belief system.
NORMA: The expression of feelings? The expression of what?
MARCOS: When you say, ĎIím sorry.í You know, the first thing you say when somebody is dead is, ĎOh, Iím so sorry.í
NORMA: But because you feel it! Iím not talking about you telling me about what I feel. Even if I donít express ĎIím sorry,í I feel that! Itís not like I want you to know that Iím sorry. No. Itís like something internal, you know? I donít carry the peopleís beliefs in my sadness or being nice, but I feel internally, you know? And even though I understand and accept that this person decided to leave because theyíve seen a better world or whatever, I still feel sorry about it. And itís not a question of saying it. I donít care if the people believe it or not. I donít care if they come and tell me, ĎOh, poor little Norma.í No. Itís what I feel, and thatís something that even though I can accept it because I see that these people are very well in some other place, I still feel sorry for myself, you know?
NORMA: And thatís not something which was expressed to me or that they said, ĎIf a person dies, you should feel sorry,í because maybe my husband dies and I donít feel sorry about that, you know? They say, ĎYou should feel sorry because your husband died or because your mother died.í Even when people say, ĎWhen the mother dies, the daughter must feel sorry,í I donít feel sorry, maybe. I donít know.
ELIAS: I am quite understanding of your expression. Attempt to be understanding of what I am offering to you. The entirety of your reality is filtered through belief systems. It matters not that it has been objectively expressed to you. You may not experience, throughout the entirety of one focus, the actual verbal words telling you that you Ďshouldí feel this way or that way. You automatically, within your choices of alignment of belief systems, do feel. This particular dimension is quite focused within the experiencing of emotion. Therefore, it is intimately involved in all that you create. In this, your emotions are also influenced by your belief systems. These belief systems, as I have stated, may be also bleed-throughs of your other focuses.
You may not have been objectively taught ... although I express to you that you have been ... that you must be expressing within certain manners. You may still express within this framework, for you align with the mass belief systems. Let me express to you that many individuals do not hold objectively what they term to be any religious involvement throughout the entirety of their focus. They may express to you that they have never, in their terms, been to a religious establishment, and that their parents have never discussed religion of any type with them. You shall still hold religious belief systems, for your culture is based upon religious belief systems. Therefore, it bleeds through into your consciousness, and you are accepting of this. Your culture expresses to you, ĎYou may not murder another individual. This is wrong.í This is a direct response to religious belief systems.
You may not interact with another individual expressing to you that when your mother disengages physical focus, you must be sad. You may automatically, genuinely feel sad. This is a reality. This is also a filtering through belief systems. You do not always hold objective awareness or identification of what these belief systems are, but they exist for they are your reality. You may respond quite differently and your husband may expire and you may not be sad, which shall also be influenced by a belief system; for if you are not sad at the disengagement of an individual, you must have been not very pleased with this individual! (Laughter) And if you are sad, you must be quite attached to this individual and missing them, for you believeĖkey word!Ėthat you have disengaged interaction with them. If you understood that there is no separation, your emotion would not be affected; but this also is for your experience, for this dimension incorporates emotional experiences. Therefore, it is not wrong or right within your response. It merely is your response, and it is valid, and it is reality.
(Firmly) I do not express to you to be denying of this reality but to be accepting of this reality, only noticing the belief systems which are influencing of these expressions; not holding judgment upon the belief systems, but allowing yourself the opportunity to identify the affectingness of the belief systems. For within the action of your shift, you shall not be accomplishing your shift in consciousness if you are not identifying belief systems initially and accepting their existence. You may not accept a belief system if you do not identify that it exists! The object of the shift is to be accepting of belief systems.Ē [session 187, June 28, 1997]
DEBI: ďIs there a reason that in my past, my family passed on?
ELIAS: Shall I be offering my ĎStandard Elias Answer?í I am feeling quite playful today! (Grinning, and laughter) Initially, in playing with you, I shall express, they have chosen!
DEBI: They have chosen.
ELIAS: Each individual chooses to be disengaging from physical focus at the moment that they are wishing, within the action that they are wishing and choosing to be disengaging. If you are choosing to be disengaging and be eaten by a bear, you shall be eaten by a bear and disengage. If you are choosing to be disengaging within your dream state, you shall disengage within your dream state. If you are choosing to cremate yourself before you are disengaging and burning within a fire, you are choosing that experience and you shall disengage. No individual disengages physical focus accidentally or without choice. It is always your choice to be disengaging at the moment that you wish.
DEBI: Is that choice made prior to physical birth?
ELIAS: No. You shall choose to be disengaging physical focus as you are not fulfilling your value fulfillment any longer. As you have accomplished the value fulfillment that you have chosen within a physical focus, you continue to be physically focused. As you seek to fulfill your value fulfillment and do not, you shall disengage.
You are continually creating within each moment. You are choosing probabilities within each moment. Therefore, you are not choosing, in stone, probabilities to be projected before you in time sequence that need be absolutely accomplished within your future. You may be choosing certain probabilities before physical manifestation, but these are probabilities and they may be altered. You may choose to continue within the line, so to speak, of those probabilities which you were choosing before physical manifestation, but you may not. It is continuously your choice.
I shall express to you also that beyond the choice of the individuals to be disengaging, you also have chosen to be within the interaction and experience of this action of disengagement for your own benefiting. You choose the individuals that you shall hold as family. They are not chosen for you, and they have not chosen you. You have chosen them. It is a continuous circle, as the essence manifesting chooses all elements of the focus that they shall be entering into; all family members, all genetic code, all of the lineage that they shall possess. You choose all of this as you enter into a physical focus within this dimension. The individuals bearing you choose merely in agreement to accomplish this task of being the parent and the family. This continues as you also choose within your time period to be the parent, only agreeing to be bearing the child; but the child has chosen all of the elements to which it wishes to be focused among.Ē [session 194, July 17, 1997]
ELIAS: ďYou are not addressing the belief system beneath the issue, which is the belief system of death. (Pause)
There is no death, Oliver [Christie]. Therefore, it matters not that another focus has chosen to disengage physically with the cooperation of a creature, and it matters not if you within this focus choose the same action; for disengagement is merely a moving to a new country within consciousness. Therefore, this is the belief system underlying the fearful issue, and if you may address to this and allow yourself movement into acceptance of this, then you shall hold no fearfulness of the action of death. And therefore, this very small creature shall also not appear so fearful.
CHRIS: ... Elias, I was sitting here and I had a flash of this death thing that we spoke of before ...
CHRIS: ... and I have a feeling that itís a lot bigger than I think.
ELIAS: This be why you hold such great fear. This is also reinforced by mass belief systems. Be remembering of this, for the fear of the Ďall-looming deathí is held en masse throughout your planet.
CHRIS: But within myself, I can remember, and this is what I remembered sitting here. Iím kind of a disorganized person, and I can remember just years ago thinking that if I was organized, if I got myself organized, that I would die. That would be it! That would be all I would have to do! (We all crack up) And so therefore, I never got organized!
ELIAS: This would be your choice, Oliver [Christie]! (Grinning)
MARIO: A hell of an excuse!
CHRIS: So then Iím sitting here thinking, ĎWow, this is bigger than I thought,í and Iím wondering if my weight and other problems ... itís just kind of like the whole thing is on this death thing ícause it looks to be bigger than what I initially thought it was. When I was a child and my grandmother died or my aunts, I just wigged out, where they wouldnít let me go to any funerals because I was just overwhelmed by the whole thing. And as I got older, I had a good friend die, and my belief system was, ĎWhatís he doing dying, this perfect person? And Iím not!í And itís just all through my life. Itís just kind of....
ELIAS: This also carries other belief systems, of Ďwho shall engage death at what age?í You hold mass religious belief systems that if you are a Ďgoodí individual, you shall disengage or die young. If you are a Ďbadí individual, you shall most probably live a very long, drawn, unhappy life! (Laughter)
ELIAS: I may suggest to you, Oliver [Christie], investigate your belief systems in this area and listen to this statement: In actuality, you all are more fearful of life than you are of death. (Pause) Even within your subjective consciousness connected with physical focus, you are more afraid of living, as you term it, than of dying.
CHRIS: That makes more sense!
ELIAS: For physical life is unfamiliar to you, but non-physical essence is quite familiar to you. You are merely temporarily engaged in an experiment to experience within an unfamiliar area of consciousness, that being physical focus.
CHRIS: Well, the statement that I made about getting organized and dying, I didnít really physically mean dying. What I meant was, the part of me that was me would not be there anymore, not necessarily that I would, you know. So what you say about living makes more sense than that, in that that part of me would not be living any longer, but that I would be living something else, and that is scary, okay? So I understand that.
CHRIS: Thank you.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome. I shall be disengaging Ė Oh no! Death to the dead guy! (laughter) Ė with you this afternoon, and I shall express to you all very lovingly, a very fond au revoir.
Elias departs at 5:14 PM.Ē [session 211, August 30, 1997]
JIM: ďMove to the issue of NDE; near death experience; when people clinically die, but are revived for whatever reason or manner. There have been thousands of cases, but one of the most extraordinary is Dannion Brinkley, who was hit by lightning in 1975, died for eighteen minutes, then came back only to die again several years later from heart surgery and come back a second time. You might say he was almost indecisive about maintaining physical focus! He describes it as a great pain, then as a release followed by a great feeling of peace, and then an out-of-body experience where he looks down on his physical body and those that attended it, followed by a rushing up into a black tunnel, followed by meeting beings of light, as he called them, feeling an overwhelming sense of well-being, and then being presented with a life review in which everything that happened to him is reviewed, and also to the person he interacted with. He could see it from their point of view. He killed people in Vietnam, and was able to experience their deaths. Is this what happens to us when we leave physical focus?
ELIAS: It is dependent upon your belief systems. For this individual, this is reality, for this individualís belief systems dictate this; that you must be approached with a life review and experience what others have experienced that you have inflicted. This is a belief system connected with karma. There is no karma. There are MANY belief systems.
Now; I may express to you that some of these experiences are common to very, very, very many individuals in disengagement of physical focus; that of hovering momentarily and viewing your physical body is quite common. Many individual focuses choose this experience. They are disengaging from the physical body consciousness and evaluating momentarily the choice of their disengagement and how they have disengaged from the physical body consciousness. Therefore, they momentarily view the body consciousness, also allowing a last interaction with this body consciousness; a last communication.
Subsequent to this action, which is quite momentarily, many individuals of focuses enter a temporary state of peacefulness prior to engaging transition. This also may be viewed as momentarily, within your terms. It is what you may term to be a brief, temporary state of respite, so to speak; of peacefulness before entering into the area of transition. Once entering into the area of transition, how you transition is dictated by your belief systems. Some individuals hold belief systems that they shall be moving into the light; the tunnel that shall lead them to the heavenly areas and what they think of within their belief systems as their eternal bliss. Some individuals hold belief systems that they shall immediately move to the area of hell, which also does not exist, but they shall create this temporarily and experience its full force, for the full force and intensity of their belief systems shall come to bear.
What you experience once you disengage is absolutely dictated by your belief systems, and which belief systems you have moved through and which belief systems you have accepted and which belief systems you hold very strongly, and also whether you have chosen to engage transition while you are still within your physical focus. This may also be quite affecting of what you may be experiencing once moving into the area of transition non-physically.Ē [session 232, October 31, 1998]
DREW: ďI have a question about transition. Is it correct to say that a focus is not a thing, but a focus of energy?
DREW: So when we die, what is it that is shedding its beliefs?
ELIAS: The personality which is focused. The energy configures itself in the design of the personality, which is the individual. In this, the individual within the focus Ė the focused attention of the element of essence Ė creates and hold belief systems. Therefore, in moving into non-physical areas of transition, the action of transition is to be eliminating and shedding of these belief systems; shedding away the camouflage.
DREW: After physical death, the personality continues?
DREW: In our terms, forever?
DREW: Hmm ... without the belief systems that weíve attached in physical reality?
DREW: And so then it is free to explore whatever dimensions it chooses to explore for the experience.
DREW: Hmm! So our personality continues and has always been?
ELIAS: Yes. (Pause)
VICKI: Youíre stuck with yourself! (Much laughter)
ELIAS: Quite! (Grinning)
DREW: If we wanted to identify with this personality as closely as possible, is that different from trying to get in touch with our essence?
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking.
DREW: There are characteristics unique to the personality.
DREW: And with all of the exercises weíve been doing and the information weíve been getting, has that been designed to put us more in touch with essence or our personality?
DREW: Okay. Is there a way to know when weíre getting in touch with one as opposed to the other? Is there a difference in the quality of the experience or the action?
ELIAS: Objectively, for the most part, you are not remembering of connections or interactions that you explore of essence. At times you may be remembering of this interaction, but it shall be far removed from the familiarity of your physical focus. Interactions as such with the alignment of tone, which was experienced previously within this forum with Michael [Mary] (2), is an experience of interaction with essence, but it holds no familiarity to you within your objective awareness. It holds little meaning within your understanding, for it is so very far removed from your directed attention.
Within this dimension, within any particular focus, your attention is focused very singularly and very directly in the manifestation of the physical focus. Therefore, your energy is directed in this manner. Interacting with the whole of essence is quite unfamiliar to the directed attention of the focus, but it is possible and attainable to be interacting with essence objectively.
DREW: So is it fair to say then that those experiences that we have that we objectively remember are more likely an interaction with our personality than it is with essence?
ELIAS: Not necessarily, for you are also involving more aspects of essence than you have previously allowed within your attention. You connect with other focuses of your essence, which are all elements of you as essence....
DREW: But they are all personalities.
DREW: So again, those are interactions with personalities as opposed to essence.
ELIAS: Essence is personality also.
DREW: Yeah, I understand, but itís....
ELIAS: These are all of the aspects of the whole of the personality, just as you hold within one focus many aspects to your personality. You hold humor, you hold sadness, you hold emotion, you hold physical awarenesses, you hold thought processes. You have your spirituality, your psyche. These are all different aspects of your one focus. In this same manner, each focus is a mirror of essence, in a manner of speaking, for essence also holds personality, and all of its focuses are all of the aspects of that personality.
DREW: There are aspects of essence which are not personality. Is that true?
ELIAS: It may not be separated.
DREW: Well, personality is essence and essence is personality, but essence is not ONLY personality, is it?
ELIAS: Not in the definition that you hold of personality.
DREW: Is there meaning to my question??
ELIAS: (Grinning) Yes! (Laughter)
DREW: Because ... what brought me to this initially was, what is it after we die that lingers on that needs to shed its beliefs, and you said the personality. But itís my perception that there is far more to essence than personality. There is all of consciousness ...
DREW: ... which is not, in our terms, strictly personality.
ELIAS: Correct; but you are making a distinction of essence.
DREW: If there are aspects of essence that are not personality, what are those aspects, if theyíre not differentiated in some way?
ELIAS: In your terms there is a differentiation, for essence is all of consciousness, but it is defined by the individual personality.
DREW: Which is the tone.
DREW: So in a sense, all consciousness has a vibration thatís unique to itself.
DREW: But is that what our personality is that is in transition, that carries on? Itís just a frequency of that particular tone?
DREW: Huh! Okay, thank you.
ELIAS: But also be remembering, this does not diminish the focus, for the focus holds all of essence. Therefore, in moving through transition, as I have stated, you do not become absorbed into this gigantic Ďamoeba of essenceí that you are merely an element of, but you hold all of essence and continue within non-physical areas of consciousness. You do not Ďcome back.í You do not reincarnate. You continue. You have allowed yourself the physical experiences. Therefore, it is unnecessary for you to be continuing. You merely enter into a transitional state to be shedding the belief systems. It is merely a similar action of moving from one room in your home to another room in your home and removing your clothing. You are shedding your camouflage.
DREW: Well, a particular personality is capable of being in more than ... is a particular personality capable of being in more than one dimension at one time? Must be, ícause time is simultaneous.
DREW: So, once we have left physical reality, we will be entering areas that weíre already in anyway. So why would we need to shed belief systems when weíre already experienced in these other dimensions in the first place?
ELIAS: Belief systems are relative to physical focus only. They are not relative to non-physical areas of consciousness. (Pause) This enters you into your area of simultaneous time, which even Siman [Bob] does not truly understand! (Grinning)
DREW: Well, itís BECAUSE of simultaneous time that it seems strange to me that we would have to shed believe systems, because all of those areas that we will be exploring once weíre dead, in our terms, weíre already exploring.
DREW: And therefore, why does there need to be a transition period in order to shed beliefs that are relative to a dimension when weíre already experiencing the other dimensions anyway?
ELIAS: For you have created physical dimensions WITH time frameworks.
DREW: Hmm ... okay.
JIM: Would those beliefs, within our movement within transition, those would be held subjectively as well?
ELIAS: Correct, to an extent.
DREW: Well, once weíre dead thereís nothing but subjectivity!
(Vicís note: you can hear Cathy cracking up in the background)
ELIAS: Not initially! (Grinning) Initially, within your action of transition, you continue to hold your objective awareness. Therefore, you hold your belief systems. You also hold awareness of your body consciousness.
DREW: We hold objective awareness once weíre dead?
DREW: The same objective awareness I currently have?
DREW: So if I am in a coffin in a grave, I have that awareness?
ELIAS: Correct. (Here there is a heavy pause)
HELEN: (Whispering) Oh my god!
(Margotís note: I believe I have just decided on cremation!)
DREW: Hmm! Actually, I think I had that experience in a TFE (3), didnít I? (Elias nods) I remember that. One last question along these lines: Simultaneous time notwithstanding, once weíre dead, will we have a remembrance Ė and weíve gone through transition Ė is there memory for us then of this experience in physical reality?
ELIAS: Yes, but it is different from what your thought process dictates within this particular focus. Within this focus, you view you as you and nothing else. Your attention is entirely focused upon this personality aspect. Therefore, you also believe that when you die and you have moved through transition, you shall singularly be you, and you shall remember this focus very clearly, and as singular and all-important. You shall look back Ė which is not looking back Ė to your lifetime as Drew, not as essence of Matthew, and you shall express to yourself, ĎAh, yes! I am remembering of my tenth birthday! Ah, what a wonderful Christmas we held at twenty-three! Oh, what a horrible death I suffered!í (Laughter)
This is incorrect, for you move into the area of essence, of non-physical, of simultaneous time, where all of your aspects are focused and accomplishing simultaneously. Therefore, no one element holds greater significance than another element, and there are countless elements. There are more than you may count. Underline this sentence!
DAVID: Is this where trauma comes in, in transition then? Facing all that and not being aware of what it is in transition?
DAVID: So itís not a pleasant experience then?
ELIAS: Not necessarily pleasant or unpleasant. It merely is.
DREW: I would think the trauma would be being aware of yourself dead in a coffin!
ELIAS: Not necessarily. This would be dependent upon your belief systems!
JIM: All of that is dependent upon your belief systems, as to how much trauma you cause yourself within the transition.
DAVID: Well, in one hundred percent of my belief systems, it will be trauma, and painful!
ELIAS: We have spoken previously, when questioned, about interaction of essences and also physically-focused individuals attempting to be helpful to certain focuses within transition; for at times, an individual focus may be choosing to be resisting of transition and may hold itself in limbo, so to speak, for what you view as a time framework, although it appears as no time framework to the individual focus. They merely are, but they also are not experiencing the action of transition.
DREW: This is a question thatís kind of related, and that Iíve always just been curious about. Is there any difference, in terms of the ... for lack of a better word, freeing of the energy of the body consciousness, between conventional burial and cremation?
ELIAS: This is merely a choice also. You are not Ďfreeingí the body consciousness. You choose objectively and subjectively how to be directing of the body consciousness once you are removing the subjective awareness at your disengagement. You choose this for many different reasons. Some individuals choose to be not engaging as much of the body consciousness initially within the action of transition, and addressing to very strong belief systems. Therefore, they may choose to be allowing the body consciousness to be continuing within physical focus for a time framework. Many individuals holding very strong religious belief systems choose this type of action, allowing themselves a period to be dealing with very strongly-held religious belief systems and allowing the body consciousness to follow subsequently, in your terms.
SUE: Can I ask ... I recently read a novel about Evita, Eva Peron, whose body ... after she died her body was embalmed, and the body was moved around from various places for years and different things happened to it. It was amazing, the things that happened to her body after she was dead for like thirty years. And I wondered, was there any part of her that was still connected, some part of her personality that was still connected with that body as it was moved around from place to place and things happened to it?
ELIAS: Your body consciousness is an aspect of the focus which is an expression of essence. Therefore, although the subjective awareness is removed from the direction of the body consciousness, the body consciousness itself is an element of essence, therefore an aspect of essence which is remaining within physical focus.
DREW: That would be a subjective thing though, wouldnít it?
DREW: Body consciousness? Isnít consciousness a subjective....
ELIAS: There is subjective AND objective. Your body consciousness is an objective awareness. It is an objective manifestation; objective imagery.
DREW: Which requires some subjective interaction.
ELIAS: To be continuing, yes.
DREW: So it is both subjective and objective.
ELIAS: No. It requires subjective direction to be functioning.
DREW: Right. Hmm! Well, how can anything be objective if there is not subjective....
ELIAS: This is why it does not FUNCTION any longer when the subjective is removed for an extended time framework. It is an objective expression.
ELIAS: Of essence.
DREW: Which is a subjective action? I donít want to say Ďthing.í
DREW: So there is subjective action?
ELIAS: No. (Laughter)
DREW: Well, how can anything be objective? Doesnít the subjective come before the objective, in our terms?
ELIAS: No. They are simultaneous, but I am understanding of what you are expressing; but the objective is the imagery which is presented. All that you view within physical focus, all that presents itself as matter, is the objective expression.
DREW: Of subjective....
DREW: Oh, I see.
ELIAS: It is not directing of its function, but it is an objective projection.
DREW: By whom?
DREW: Hmm! Well, I donít want to belabor this. Iím sure other people have questions, but I....
ELIAS: Let me express to you: Just as you create veils between your dimensions that you may not be penetrating Ė for you do not allow yourself to penetrate Ė as you choose to disengage physical focus, you create a veil between the objective and subjective expression of body consciousness. You remove the direction for its functioning. Therefore, it ceases to function. It remains as what you may view as an artifact, holding objective consciousness, for all of your matter holds consciousness. Therefore, it holds objective consciousness, for it continues to exist objectively, but it has no more interaction with subjective elements.
DREW: So the cells within the body, which hold their own consciousness ...
DREW: ... are not interacting subjectively with the personality that was directing it in the first place.
DREW: And those cells and the consciousness within those cells, the consciousness links within the body, are not interacting subjectively with ANY essence?
ELIAS: No. They are subjectively interacting within consciousness, but not linked to essence or personality.
NORM: And they can project themselves into objective existence?
ELIAS: They hold objective existence.
NORM: And they do not have to continuously project? Okay.
DREW: How can they be linked to consciousness, and yet not be interacting with essence? Because isnít essence and consciousness one and the same?
ELIAS: It is, in one respect; but as I have stated, there is a distinction of personality within essence.
DREW: When the body deteriorates and the cells fall apart into dust, in our terms, the consciousness that was within the physical body itself goes where?
ELIAS: It is reconstructed in energy and is regenerated within essence.
DREW: Okay. Thereís some kind of interaction between objective consciousness and essence thatís different from the subjective interaction....
ELIAS: Of the focus. Correct.
DREW: Which Iíll need to explore another time with you because this is something new to me. Itís a different type of interaction.
DREW: Hmm! Does it have anything to do with the projection of the other people observing the body?
DREW: Okay. Thank you.
ELIAS: For as their attention also, in alignment with the individual focus which has disengaged, complies with that individualís belief systems, they also hold an aspect of their attention within that expression.
If you are choosing to be annihilating your physical form through fire, individuals remaining or continuing within physical focus are in agreement to your choice. Therefore, your expression is not lent energy ... your physical expression is not lent energy by individuals about you. If you are choosing to be mummified, your expression is lent energy to remain within the objective physical matter, for the attention is held by other individuals also.
DREW: If that explained it completely, I would understand! But itís that part of consciousness that is somehow not subjectively interacting that I donít understand, but I donít want to spend more time on it tonight, so Iíll take a week to think about it.
ELIAS: Very well. These are difficult areas, for you do not quite understand all of the actions and elements of essence and consciousness and each focus, which hold many more aspects than you realize.Ē [session 250, December 14, 1997]
SUE: ďSo disengaging doesnít suddenly bring you enlightenment and make everything ... this is really depressing! (Laughter) Itís not like Iím planning on doing it soon, but I thought that was the one thing to look forward to about it! (Elias is shaking his head)
ELIAS: This be another belief system! You may disengage presently and you shall continue within your belief systems. This be the reason that you enter into the area of transition, to shed these belief systems, but this be your choice as to how long you choose to hold to these belief systems.
What you engage presently in identifying belief systems to yourselves shall be the same action that you engage within transition. The difference is that you continue with these belief systems within physical focus. Although you may be accepting of belief systems, you continue with your belief systems within physical focus. Within transition, you shed these belief systems; but in your terms, the process is quite similar. You must identify, you must recognize, you must accept, and you must release all of your belief systems that you have carried through physical focus, for they serve no purpose within non-physical areas of consciousness. They are merely relative to physical focuses.Ē (Pause) [session 253, December 28, 1997]
FORREST: ďContinuing with the questions. Bunny asks, ĎCould you enlarge on what happens to the body consciousness if one chooses to be cremated? Is it better to be or not to be cremated, and for whom?í
ELIAS: There is no better or worse within this situation. It is a choice. There is a difference in the action and the affectingness in consciousness in your choice of how you shall be disengaging your body consciousness, but no choice is better or worse. They are merely different choices. In choosing the action of cremation you are choosing to be disengaging the body consciousness within a relatively quick time framework, therefore uniting the energy of the body consciousness with that of the objective consciousness which shall be within the area of transition. Each choice that you engage in conjunction with your disengagement of physical focus creates a different type of scenario within your movement in the area of transition.Ē [session 269, March 19, 1998]
ELIAS: ďDisengagement from any physical focus is a choice, and you shall know when you are creating of that choice.
All individuals within physical focuses hold an awareness of their choice to be disengaging. Some individuals hold an awareness within a time framework, and some hold an awareness momentarily prior to their disengagement. This also is a choice, of which awareness you shall allow yourself within any particular focus.Ē [session 275, April 23, 1998]
MICHAEL: ďI asked something of the dead, and I was wondering if they heard me.
ELIAS: Let me express to you: first of all, in response to your question, yes. But also let me continue with this answer, that you may hold more clarity. As you speak of the dead, these are focuses of essences that have merely emerged from physical focus into another area of consciousness, but in terms of reality are very much alive!
In this, many individuals communicate to individual focuses or groupings of focuses, that which you term to be persons. I express the terminology of focus. Many individuals pray, many individuals speak, many individuals communicate with these focuses, these other individuals that they perceive to be in some Ďbeyond.í In actuality, if you are focusing your attention within the belief systems of death and are expressing to focuses ... or the dead, for within belief systems this indicates individuals that have lived physically manifest and have died. Therefore, it is a classification, and in actuality, what you are speaking to are those focuses which occupy an area which is termed to be transition.
Now; individuals occupying an area of consciousness of transition and engaging the action of transition non-physically shall hear you, so to speak, but shall also for the most part not concern themselves with one individual focus, for they occupy the area of transition in which all of their focuses are occurring simultaneously objectively before them, and in this their action is to be shedding all of their belief systems which have been held within physical focus, and to also be moving away and shedding their objective awareness, moving into complete subjective awareness, that they may move into other areas of consciousness and continue upon their choices of becoming.
Now; I may also qualify and express to you that there are areas of consciousness which are occupied by essences which are non-physically focused which are directly involved with physical focuses. Therefore, in accessing these essences, you may also access helpfulness and a tremendous lending of energy.
In accessing essences Ė the Ďdeadí within transition Ė you may communicate much, and what you may receive is mischief, for one focus is merely one camera lens in thousands to these individuals within transition. Therefore, it matters not their expression, and many times they may be quite mischievous Ė not hurtful, but mischievous and playful Ė which may be interpreted within physical focus as fearful or hurtful, although it is not, but within your belief systems it may hold this interpretation.
Therefore, I shall offer you the suggestion that you may direct your energy and your attention to this area of Regional Area 3 in consciousness, which holds one aspect of transition [and] another aspect of mass consciousness or collective consciousness directly associated with this particular dimension. But also, there is an element of Regional Area 3 that is occupied by those essences which choose to be interactive with, interconnected to, and helpful to individuals occupying Regional Area 1, which is you. Regional Area 1 is your waking reality within this particular dimension.
There are essences that manifest also into focuses in this particular dimension, which are associated and connected with essence within Regional Area 3, which concentrate upon loosening the barriers and the veils between yourselves within your objective awareness within your reality in this dimension and essence within non-physical areas. In this, you may direct your inquiries and your wishes to these essences, which shall be much more helpful than these essences occupying transition, for their focus is different. Their attention is directed differently.Ē [session 285, June 11, 1998]
PEGGY: ďWill I be seeing my husband when I cross over, or my parents?
ELIAS: Let me express to you in this questioning, this is an interesting question and also offers information to yourself and to other individuals in the area of mass held belief systems, for you BELIEVE that as you disengage physical focus Ė or you enter the action of death Ė that you shall move into an area non-physically where you shall be greeted by all of your relatives and dear ones that have Ďpassed throughí before you, so to speak.
Now; let me also express to you that this is a belief system, although in part it is based in truthfulness, for as you enter into the area of transition, all of your focuses that you have held within this dimension shall be before you, and you shall be participating in all of them as you are disengaging or shedding your belief systems. Therefore, there is a viewing of all of the individuals that you have participated with in physical focuses, but the relationship to these individuals takes on new meaning, for you are not viewing one singular focus.
What you experience presently is one singular focus, what you term to be one lifetime. This one focus is one of very many focuses. Therefore, each individual that you encounter or hold a relationship with within this one particular focus holds....
PEGGY: Alright. Could you tell me, will my pets be over there? Do pets go over?
ELIAS: Let me continue with this answer initially, and then I shall answer your question of your pets.
ELIAS: The individuals that you view within this focus do not hold the intensity of significance to you once you are within the action of transition, for they only hold significance in this one focus. Are you understanding?
ELIAS: Therefore, your attention shall not be so intensely focused upon these particular individuals once you enter the area of transition.
As to your questioning of your pets, your creatures, they are consciousness. They are not essence.
PEGGY: They are not what?
ELIAS: They are not essence.
PEGGY: Oh, I see.
ELIAS: YOU are essence. Creatures are creations of you. Therefore, no, they do not enter into the area of transition with you.
PEGGY: So when theyíre gone, you never see them again.
PEGGY: Okay, now can you tell me anything about my children? Iíd like to know where, for instance, my son Dave and his wife Olga and family are headed, and are they headed in the right direction?
ELIAS: (Chuckling) First of all, I shall address to your statement that once you are disengaging you shall never see your creatures again, for this is slightly distorted, for you do hold an awareness of all consciousness, and as your creatures are of consciousness, you do hold the recognition and the awareness of their presence as energy and consciousness, as they may be restructuring themselves through consciousness once you are disengaged from physical focus.
Therefore, it is simply put to be expressing that you never view them again once you disengage from physical focus. This is a singular thought process and too small to be encompassing the actual action and knowing and awareness that you experience once you enter into non-physical focus.Ē [session 295, July 08, 1998]
FEMALE: ďIíve been wondering, is there any significance to a dream in which one dies, or appears to, within the framework of the dream? Itís something that happens very seldom.
ELIAS: Let me express to you that the reason you do not engage this action within your dream state and merely offer yourself this experience infrequently is that you hold belief systems that you attach to this action. You hold belief systems in the area of death, so to speak, and your objective fearfulness of this choice, for death is not an occurrence that happens to you, but a choice that you create purposefully within the given moment that you choose. In this, although belief systems are relaxed within your dream state, they continue to be held. Therefore, you do not allow yourselves the viewing or action of death often within your dream state, for you attach the belief system to this action that if you are dying within your dream state, you may be engaging the act itself!Ē [session 298, July 16, 1998]
MIKE: ďI have some questions about disengagement and death, as we term it. I have always had a fascination with this, and I donít know why. But Iíve always wanted to know, one, when people are obviously choosing disengagement, do they hold an awareness of it before it transpires?
MIKE: Okay, alright. The next one would be more along the lines of, I guess a lot of people, including myself, hold not necessarily the fear of death, but itís the fear of dying. People always associate all kinds of pain with what happens throughout the process, and I was curious ... like in certain situations, not necessarily disease, but in situations where you get dismembered maybe, or you get shot or you fall off a cliff or you get in a car accident or something, because you're choosing disengagement, are you present all the way up to when the body stops functioning?
ELIAS: This would be dependent upon the choice of the individual.
In some situations, yes, your awareness holds presence throughout the entirety of all of the choices that you have chosen to be accomplishing your disengagement ... or death, as you term this.
At times, some individuals choose to be removing their subjective awareness from their body consciousness, but continuing also to hold an objective awareness within physical focus. In these types of situations, what the individual is creating is similar to an out-of-body experience, but not entirely the same, for they have chosen to be removing all of their subjective awareness from their body consciousness. Therefore, there is a type of separation which is occurring, and in this, as the body consciousness is no longer receiving direction from the subjective awareness, it shall also cease to function within physical form.
MIKE: Okay, so I guess it also depends upon the person where they go after that?
ELIAS: Not necessarily. In relation to their choice in what they create as dictated through their beliefs, yes. Initially, [in] what they are creating in imagery in conjunction with their beliefs that may be held quite strongly within physical focus, yes. They may be individually creating imagery temporarily that may appear to be a place or a type of action or experience.
But regardless of the individualís belief systems, each individual disengaging physical focus shall be moving into the action of transition and addressing to the belief systems that have been held within their physical focus.
MIKE: Okay. Iím not sure if it was you who said it or Seth, but one of you guys said something about at times, the person may be choosing a reprieve before entering transition. They take a break, I guess. Now, what you're saying is ... would the break that was mentioned be like whatever the belief is, like they're going to heaven or they're going to hell or they have to face judges or whatever? Would that be like the reprieve before entering transition?
ELIAS: Let me express to you, I have offered information in this area also, as has that essence of Seth.
In this, I express to you that an element of addressing to the belief systems within the action of transition Ė and shedding of these belief systems Ė may at times involve creating imagery that shall be in alignment with these belief systems.
What I am expressing to you is that in the action Ė at times Ė of addressing to an actual belief system which may concern the idea or concept of heaven or hell, [this] may be created temporarily by the individual, that they may be experiencing viewing and addressing to that particular belief system, allowing themselves the understanding that this is not in actuality a place that they shall reside within as an automatic action in conjunction with death.
As for the time period that some individuals may be choosing to engage that you are terming to be a reprieve, this would be an intermediate type of time framework that is created by the focus in-between disengagement and the action of transition.
Now; at times it may involve imagery which is connected to the belief systems that have been held within the individual physical focus. Therefore, it may at times involve such actions as heaven or hell or limbo or any other physical manifestation of a place that the individual chooses to be creating.
But they may also not necessarily be creating this type of action, but may hold themselves in a type of in-between state in which they continue to create imagery that appears to be physical and appears to be in alignment with the familiar aspects of physical reality, but also allowing themselves the ability to be altering and manipulating energy to be creating differences in those physical realities.
There are physical qualities to the reality, but they are much more flexible, for they are not actually physical creations. They are similar to your idea of holograms within your reality presently.
MIKE: How interesting!
ELIAS: They are a projection of physical imagery, but they are not in actuality physical creations holding the molecular structure or atomic structure in matter and solidity that your physical reality holds in this dimension. They are merely a projection of an image that appears to be in like manner to your physical reality.
Now; in this image, these individuals also quickly realize that they may be altering of this imagery quite easily.
In this, they may be creating a physical scene, so to speak, of an open field, for example, and they may recognize that they hold the ability to be altering the appearance of this field quite easily. In like manner to a hologram, they may add in or delete away any aspect of imagery that they choose. Therefore, they may place within the middle of their field a tree, or they may allow this field in places to not appear quite so solid, and therefore take on, in a manner of speaking, more qualities similar to water or to air.
You may manipulate these images within this state of consciousness, in a manner of speaking, in any manner that you choose.
Some individuals, as they disengage physical focus, choose to be playing with imagery, holding to their objective awareness and continuing within their creations of physical types of imagery, but allowing themselves the freedom to be playing with that imagery, recognizing their ability to manipulate energy in whichever direction they are choosing.
Other individuals may be moving into areas Ė as also dictated by their beliefs Ė of fear, and in this, they may be blocking their movement into the action of transition, but are not allowing themselves to be playful and engaging imagery in the manner that I have just expressed. But these individuals may be holding strongly to their objective awareness and not allowing themselves to be moving into other actions and other areas of consciousness, and at times, temporarily, they may be producing a situation in which they are Ďstuck,í in a manner of speaking.
In these situations, there are other essences that may be helpful to these particular focuses which shall be offering them proddings, so to speak, in guidance, figuratively speaking, that shall allow them to be moving away from their expression of fearfulness, and therefore allowing them to be moving more easily into others areas of consciousness.Ē [session 415, June 15, 1999]
SUSAN: ďMy son committed suicide in May of í98 at the age of 23, and with this information Ė and I think there have been times I have been aware of your help Ė I have been able to intellectualize this and understand what I believe his reality was, and itís okay. That doesnít change my emotional feeling that Iím a bad mother and thereís something I could have done about that. Can you help me with that?
ELIAS: I shall express to you that this is quite common within your physical reality within many of your societies that you have established throughout your globe, for you hold very, very strong beliefs of relationships, and one of the aspects of this belief is that concerning the role of mother, and within certain societies, the expression of this aspect of this belief is extremely intense, for you very strongly align with this aspect.
I may express to you, first of all, that your role as a mother or as a parent is what you create it to be based upon your beliefs, but outside of those beliefs, you hold no responsibility.
SUSAN: Thatís easy for me to intellectualize. That doesnít help here (indicating her heart).
ELIAS: You are correct, and in this, as you align so very strongly with these aspects of beliefs, you do create emotional responses.
Now; let me express to you, all of these elements are very intertwined. You do not create a belief, and an emotion as a result of a belief. You do not create an emotion, and subsequently create a belief as a result of the emotion. But the beliefs themselves are very intertwined, and the elements of emotion and sexuality, which are the base elements of this particular physical reality, are also very entwined in your belief systems.
Now; the largest belief system that you hold within this physical dimension is that of duplicity. Duplicity holds the most birds, and these birds are coupled with all of the other birds of all of the other belief systems. (4) They are not separate.
This one bird cage is the one bird cage which is not separated from any of the other bird cages. Each other belief, each other belief system, holds its individual bird cage and its individual grouping, so to speak, of aspects, and although they may cross over each other and move in conjunction with each other at times, they are individual beliefs, addressing in very specific directions.
This one belief of duplicity does not hold its own direction. It moves within all of the other belief systems, and it is influencing and coloring of every other aspect of every other belief.
Now; in this, you may be, as you state, intellectualizing or expressing to yourself that you hold an understanding objectively, rationally, or within your thought process, and you confuse yourself, for you do not understand why you seem to hold an inability to be creating a translation of what you know within your thoughts into what you feel.
ELIAS: You are not addressing within your thoughts what you are addressing within your emotion. (Smiling)
Within your thoughts, you are addressing rationally and you are intellectually viewing specific belief systems Ė specific aspects of belief systems Ė and you are also viewing partially the interaction of the belief system of duplicity, but very vaguely, very generally. You are viewing the cage, not the birds.
Within your emotional expression, you are engaging the birds, and the birds are those that express your value and your worth and your ability, and the birds express to you the better and the worse, and that if you are creating better, you shall create what you want.
This moves us once again into: in actuality, you all may express over and over that you create your reality, but within your beliefs, you believe your reality creates you, and you create other individualsí realities.
SUSAN: This whole thing is me mirroring to myself my lack of self worth, isnít it?
SUSAN: Okay. Itís me saying, ĎOh, Iím not a mother anymore, so Iím nobody, just like I was before I was a mother.í
ELIAS: And that you are not accomplishing well enough in the role. Therefore, as the child has chosen to be disengaging, this is not merely the choice of the child, but this is the measurement of your worth and your ability, for you ALL look to the expressions of other individuals and measure your worth and your value and your abilities by the expressions of other individuals.
And this also, in what we have been discussing this evening, is what I am expressing to you Ė in that you hold choices and that another individualís behavior or manipulation of energy or choices does not dictate your choices or how you are receiving energy.
In this, choices are merely choices. They are NOT a reflection upon your worth or your value. Not even your perception of yourself is a measurement of your value or your worth, for it is your perception and it is influenced by your beliefs. It is colored.
SUSAN: I actually got that! I actually got something out of this. Yeah, I think I can take that someplace. Thank you.
ELIAS: You are very welcome, and I express to you, in genuineness, your worth is far greater than you view.
SUSAN: Iím here! (Laughing) Thank you.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome.
The individual has chosen the choice in not wishing to be objectively physically participating in this shift in consciousness.
SUSAN: I can definitely understand that, yes.
ELIAS: Many individuals Ė in what you view as recent past and present and futurely Ė choose this same direction, not wishing to be participating objectively and physically within the action of this shift, for it IS incorporating of great trauma.
ELIAS: In this, there are many individuals that are choosing not to be physically participating, but participating within consciousness, and hold manifestations futurely as the entirety of this shift in consciousness is accomplished, and merely wish not to be participating within the trauma.
SUSAN: That makes sense.
ELIAS: This is not a reflection upon you.
SUSAN: I understand.
ELIAS: Nor is it a measurement of your worth or ability.
SUSAN: Nor is it a measurement of him or his.
SUSAN: Yeah, I see. Huh! Thatís great! Iím liable to cry. Iíve come a long way in the last couple of minutes! Thank you.
ELIAS: You are very welcome, and you may express your emotional expression in whichever manner you are so choosing, for it is a choice and it matters not! (Chuckling)
VIVIEN: Oh, go ahead and cry!
SUSAN: I have a memory of reading something about you throwing Kleenexes around the room. That would be real handy right now! (Laughter)
ELIAS: Ah! I may express to you that in your very physical terms, I am fresh out of truths! (Everybody cracks up) (5)
CAROLE: ... Elias, young people choosing to disengage because of the oncoming trauma of the shift, would that possibly have anything to do with the murders that are taking place in large groupings? Perhaps thatís just the method or the outer exhibition of the objective way that it takes place, but those people also wanted to just disengage?
ELIAS: Partially, yes; although I shall be offering to you that this is not the anticipation of Ďoncoming trauma,í but the recognition of the trauma that is already expressed. It is not future. It is NOW.
VIVIEN: So this is the same effect with the earthquakes that have recently happened and the wars that are going on Ė the same thing?
ELIAS: Yes, in part.
There are more elements that you have created in conjunction with your expression of your beliefs and in conjunction with this present wave in consciousness, which I have expressed previously. But there ARE elements in these actions which are occurring en masse, in which many individuals choose not to be objectively participating within the trauma of this shift, knowing that this is merely a choice.
You are not BOUND to continue within physical focus. You may choose to be disengaging within any moment. It is merely a choice. There is no implication in this choice.
CAROLE: And isnít it true also that all death, whenever anyone dies, just to use the term in the way of semantics, is suicide? Because we all choose. It just isnít done that way objectively at the time.
ELIAS: You all choose. You create a distinction in your language.
SUSAN: Suicide is a judgment.
You all choose the moment of your disengagement and how it shall be accomplished within your physical reality. Some choices within your officially accepted reality are acceptable; some choices are not.
It is acceptable to be calmly disengaging within your sleep. It is acceptable to be disengaging in what YOU term to be an accident ... of which there are no accidents! (Grinning) It is acceptable to be eaten by a bear! (Laughter)
It is unacceptable to be murdering an individual. It is unacceptable to be committing suicide, in your evaluation. It is unacceptable to be disengaging through the action of dis-ease, for you shall strive and strive and strive, in conjunction with individuals that choose to be disengaging through dis-ease, to be altering of their choice!
GRETA: If you choose to disengage, do you also choose to engage? In other words, do you choose to be born?
ELIAS: Yes. You choose to be manifesting or engaging within physical dimensions and you choose to be disengaging in physical dimensions, and either of these actions is merely an emergence into different areas of consciousness Ė some physical, some nonphysical, but all areas of consciousness that you choose to be exploring.
GRETA: I have a granddaughter, an adopted granddaughter, that was born on the exact day at the exact time that my mother had passed. Now sheís thirteen years old, and she seems, in almost all of her physical attributes and in all of her normal daily habits, to be my mother!
ELIAS: Now; I shall express to you, in this type of situation, this does occur within your physical reality, and this lends energy to the belief that you hold in what you term to be reincarnation.
I express to you that an individual may disengage physical focus and may project, in choice, an aspect of that focus Ė or of themself Ė which shall choose to be manifest physically. It may exhibit in this new manifestation, figuratively speaking, for all manifestations are simultaneous....
... But in this type of action, the aspect of that individual which chooses to become manifest may hold many of the qualities of personality that the other aspect held within physical reality.
It is a different aspect, and therefore it is not a repeat, so to speak, or reincarnation of the other individual, but is another manifestation of that focus, another aspect of that same focus, and in this, you objectively may view many similarities in the expression outwardly, emotionally, intellectually, creatively, and even within mannerisms. (Smiling)
GRETA: Hmm. Itís sometimes frightening when you see it! (Laughing)
ELIAS: These individuals also may allow themselves many times to be recalling, within their individual memory, elements of the other focus, which also lends energy to the belief system of reincarnation, for these individuals may be offering information in conjunction with the other focus that YOU shall all hold in amazement and express, ĎHow shall this individual know this of the other focus? But of course, they are the same individual!í They are NOT the same individual, but they hold many of the same qualities, for they are an element of that focus.
SUSAN: So when we die of a disease or an accident, itís an excuse to check out.
ELIAS: It is not an excuse. It is a choice. (Grinning)
SUSAN: No, I donít mean that! (Laughter) I mean, itís like instead of just saying, ĎOkay, Iím checking out, see ya later.í Itís a tool.
ELIAS: It is a tool and it is a method. It is a choice, and individuals purposefully choose how they shall be disengaging.
Many times as individuals choose actions such as suicide or dis-ease or what YOU term to be an accident, they have chosen this method not merely in conjunction with their exploration of their own experience, but also KNOWING the interaction that occurs between themselves and all of the individuals that have been objectively connected to them.
GRETA: My mother was ill and in the hospital and I stayed by her side, and in the morning she said that she saw my brother, who was already dead, and he had come for her, and she said she wasnít ready to go. And she lived to be ninety-two. But she expressed it Ė she said she saw him and he came for her.
ELIAS: This also....
GRETA: And sheís the one that my granddaughter is ... adopted granddaughter. I put that very succinctly because itís amazing to me!
ELIAS: This also is not an uncommon expression within physical focus.
I may express to you that some individuals choose to be creating of what you term to be in physical focus Ďnear-death experiences,í and as they express to themselves and to you that they are Ďreturningí Ė which they are not returning Ė but as they are returning from the Ďnear-to-death,í they have engaged some other individual which has expressed to them a Ďmissioní and that they are Ďnot readyí or that they hold a Ďcontinuation of purposeí within physical focus.
An engagement of what they view to be another individual is not uncommon. This is not always an expression in actuality of meeting another essence in some ethereal place, (grinning) but it is the individualís choice to be moving close, so to speak, to the action of disengaging, but not entirely choosing disengagement.
Therefore, momentarily they are in a stop-point in which they are creating their choice, and in this, they also create imagery that shall sway them objectively into which choice they wish to be moving within.
This be the reason that you do not listen to or view individuals that have chosen to be entirely disengaging expressing to you that they are not disengaging, for they have chosen to be disengaging! (Grinning)
Individuals that create a movement, in your terms, Ďbackí within physical focus have not chosen to be disengaging. They have chosen to be Ďtesting the waterí and are curious, and therefore they allow themselves a momentary glimpsing, but they are not in actuality choosing to be disengaging. Therefore, they do not, and they express to you that they have been enlightened and hold a mission and must be continuing within physical focus, or they express to you, ĎI wished not to go.í
GRETA: Thatís what she told me! She said that she wasnít ready.Ē (Elias chuckles) [session 475, September 22, 1999]
JOHN: ď... Now, [my wifeís grandfather] just recently disengaged, and I remember reading in the transcripts about how itís individual for each person, but Iím wondering where he went to thereafter upon disengagement, how he arrived, and what heís doing now. Is he still around the family, or is it just all his choice? (Elias chuckles)
ELIAS: First of all, I shall express to you that as an individual disengages, they allow for what you may term to be a residual energy. This is an energy deposit which remains within your physical Regional Area 1.
In this, as the physical body also remains within your physical dimension, the body consciousness is engaged and continues for a time framework.
Now; in this, initially, many individuals that continue within physical focus for a time framework in relation to the disengagement of the individual shall allow themselves an openness in which they shall be aware of and noticing Ė and even at times interactive with Ė the energy deposit which continues within the physical reality.
Therefore, individuals may express that they feel a presence, or that they are interactive with the individual regardless that this individual has disengaged, or that they may view certain actions or notice certain occurrences in relation to that individual.
This is the expression of the energy deposit which the individual allows to be placed in your physical reality as they choose to be disengaging from physical reality, and in this, the energy deposit holds more strength, for the most part, as the physical body also continues within your physical reality.
What I am expressing to you is, if an individual is choosing to be disengaging and the physical body also is removed from your physical reality, there is what may appear to be less strength in the expression of the energy deposit within your physical reality, for the individual has chosen to be removing the entirety of the consciousness from this physical reality. There may continue to be an expression of an energy deposit, but it also may appear not as strongly in its expression as it may as the physical body continues.
Now; as to the individual, you are correct that each individual is creating of different types of movements and creations and actions once disengagement occurs. Much of their action or what they may create in imagery is dependent upon their belief systems associated with this reality.
In this, this particular individual presently is within an objective state, in a manner of speaking. There continues to be an objective awareness.
Now; let me also express to you, this objective awareness in this now Ė or that you associate with this now Ė is not holding its attention in association with your physical focus.
This individual has moved elements of its consciousness prior to the disengagement into nonphysical areas of consciousness. Therefore, there is an awareness of the individual that they are no longer, in a manner of speaking, interactive with this physical reality, although the individual continues to be creating objective imagery which is associated with this objective physical reality.
The difference is that this individual is choosing to be experimenting with their ability to be manipulating imagery.
JOHN: Okay, but thatís only in his reality, in his perception.
ELIAS: Correct.Ē [session 578, March 19, 2000]
RODNEY: ďQuestion: is suicide simply another way that some people choose to disengage? Itís so easy to place judgment on that act, and in opening up to acceptance Ė Nicky and I were talking about this Ė it seems to us that it truly matters not that someone would choose this way to go.
My sense of it, however, is that although it matters not in choosing to disengage in this fashion, one could be emphasizing the challenge that brought them to that. In other wise, itís kind of stamping it with a stamp of finality, and if in so doing, do they not have that also to work through in transition?
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes. I may express to you, you are correct; it is a choice.
In this, generally speaking Ė although not always Ė individuals that incorporate this action of disengagement through what you term to be suicide are incorporating a physical action objectively which is expressive of their own experience in desperation, and the communication which is offered in that experience and emotional expression of desperation is the overwhelming recognition of denial of their ability to be creating choice. This denial of self may be expressed in such a definite manner that the subjective communication becomes extreme to be gaining the objective awareness in attention to what the individual is expressing and creating in that time framework, which is a continuation of denial of choice.
Now; within your physical terms, figuratively speaking, tremendous denial of choice within an individual may be, in a manner of speaking, an excruciating experience, for it is quite contrary to your natural state of being, which incorporates choice.
RODNEY: What I hear, what Iím sensing, is this could be both. On one hand, it could be a phenomenal wake-up call as they move into transition, that they notice this is what they create Ė thatís one possibility Ė and therefore they are better prepared to cope or to widen their awareness as to what they are really doing.
Then on the other hand, it could be just the opposite. It could carry over into transition, so that they have a similarly difficult time in transition widening their awareness as to what theyíre really doing.
ELIAS: Let me express to you, in the incorporation of engaging this action of suicide in relation to the expression of desperation, the individual may disengage physical focus but, generally speaking, that individual shall not immediately incorporate the action of transition but rather shall continue to be creating objective imagery incorporating the same issue.
ELIAS: In this action of suicide, the individual is incorporating an action to be escaping what they are creating, and to be altering their experience in relation to the issue that they have presented to themselves; but the action of disengagement from this physical dimension does not necessarily alter the experience.
As I have expressed to other individuals, you may be disengaging, and what you are accomplishing in disengagement from this particular physical focus is merely an action which is quite similar to that of physically relocating your physical self to another country. You continue to occupy you. YOU incorporate YOU as you relocate. You do not leave Ďyouí in the previous physical location.
Therefore as you disengage, this action of disengagement is very similar to what you incorporate within your physical dimension in relocating your physical self to what you term to be a foreign country. The environment may appear different, the language may appear different, and your surroundings, so to speak, may appear differently to you, but you continue to be you.
RODNEY: So, what that says to me is that they continue in an objective environment to cope with the issue of desperation of lack of choice. They continue with that.
NICKY: Well, wonít they continue in whatever state of mind they were in, when they disengage by other means Ė accidents, diseases, whatever?
ELIAS: Not necessarily.
NICKY: In what manner? How is it different?
ELIAS: The choice to be disengaging through the manifestation of disease is a choice to be incorporating a specific method which is acceptable in your belief systems as to disengagement. It is the choice to be incorporating a specific type of method. You always choose how you shall be disengaging, and in this, your beliefs are influencing as to your choice of disengagement from this physical focus.
But in the situation of this particular action, incorporating the experience of desperation Ė which I have stated, not all actions of suicide incorporate that experience Ė but in those that do incorporate this experience of desperation, the individual is creating a perception of an absolute lack of choice, and therefore is not allowing for their value fulfillment, and therefore chooses in relation to their beliefs their escape route, so to speak.
But you do not disengage your objective awareness as you disengage physical focus. You continue to incorporate your objective awareness subsequent to your disengagement of physical focus or death.
NICKY: No matter which way you choose to disengage?
ELIAS: Correct. This is why you have incorporated this action of transition, to be shedding the objective awareness which is associated with this physical dimension and to be shedding the belief systems which are associated with this physical dimension.
Therefore, ALL of you that disengage physical focus from this physical dimension do continue with some aspect of objective awareness temporarily, and move into the action of transition to be disengaging that objective awareness and your beliefs associated with this physical dimension.
Now; in these particular situations of suicide enacted in what you term to be a state of desperation, you are merely moving your attention from one area of consciousness to another area of consciousness, similar from movement from one country to another country. You are not disengaging your beliefs, and you are incorporating movement into nonphysical areas of consciousness with the full incorporation of your objective awareness, and that objective awareness continues to create imagery that appears quite physical and in relation to this physical dimension.
Now; there are also other expressions that may be incorporated that appear unfamiliar and not quite in alignment with your actual physical dimension, for you may be incorporating creating physical imagery in your own expression which may manifest in relation to your beliefs in a slightly different manner, for the only incorporation of imagery shall be your own.
RODNEY: If I could give an example, if a man, in a deep religious belief, felt that when he disengaged he was going to heaven and had a clear concept of what that might be like Ė that miracles were possible there Ė that if he were to disengage in a diseased body, he might create through his belief systems the objective imagery of an individual in heaven healing him? Is this the kind of way, as an example, of how a belief system would carry through to the objective imagery after disengagement?
ELIAS: Yes, this may be the incorporation of an example, and this is a possibility. It is not an absolute, for an individual may hold quite strong beliefs and be quite expressive in those beliefs while engaging physical focus in this physical dimension, and may upon disengagement move into the action of transition and may not necessarily incorporate this interim time framework, so to speak, of creating a manifestation of their beliefs. It is dependent upon the individual and their choice of movement in the moment of disengagement.
RODNEY: This raises a question for me. When my mother disengaged, she was surrounded by an awareness of beings that were visiting her constantly for some months while she was in the nursing home. And if I understood you correctly, you said that she was viewing her other focuses. Does this imply that she was moving directly or more quickly or more easily into essence and bypassing objective imagery, or at least less objective imagery and less time, if you will, in transition?
ELIAS: Not less time in transition.
RODNEY: Not less time?
ELIAS: Less incorporation of interim, or in your common vernacular, in between objective expression of imagery prior to movement into the action of transition.
RODNEY: Youíre saying there was less time in that in-between?
ELIAS: In actuality, this individual allowed almost an immediate movement into transition.
RODNEY: I see. Is she still in transition? (Pause)
RODNEY: No? In my sequential time framework, would you indicate how long she was there? (Pause)
ELIAS: In an identification of your physical incorporation of time, movement beyond the action of transition may be associated with your previous year.Ē [session 778, February 15, 2001]
HOWARD: ďLast December, a friend of mine, or an acquaintance of mine, passed away. His name was Gage T. I didnít hear of his passing until a couple of weeks ago, and I was very distraught. I have tried to figure out where my emotions were coming from, because I was crying a great deal. After talking with Margot and my friends in the CC chat room, Iíve come up with a conclusion that perhaps itís not about Gageís passing that I was upset with, but rather the termination of a relationship that we were developing.
Even though I do think that Gage and myself were and are very connected through many lifetimes, I feel very emotional again as I speak about it, that Iíve lost contact with an old friend, who we allowed ourselves to meet and rekindle a friendship, and heís gone again! (Emotionally) And this distresses me, because I donít understand where the feeling is coming from. Thatís my question.
ELIAS: And I shall express to you, Bosht [Howard], the suggestion that you allow yourself to approach yourself in a different manner in altering your question. Your question that you pose to yourself is concerning your lack of understanding as to where this emotion is coming from, in your terms.
Now; I may express to you, in actuality this is what you are expressing to yourself objectively, for your confusion is, in actuality, not with the emotion but with the contents of the emotion. For I may express to you, you have already offered yourself thought processes and validations, in a manner of speaking, from yourself and through your interaction with other individuals which justifies the expression of the emotion, but you continue to be questioning the emotion for these justifications are inadequate.
The reason the justifications are inadequate is that you are attempting to offer yourself explanations in relation to a reality that you are no longer creating. Therefore, the explanations that you are offering to yourself do not fit within the reality that you are now creating.
Let me express to you quite genuinely and quite realistically: in this time framework we have spoken much concerning this shift in consciousness, and many of you have allowed yourselves to be viewing the concept of this shift in consciousness, but continuing to view this as a future event. I have expressed to you within your physical time framework of this previous year ó and continue to do so ó that now you are inserting this shift in consciousness into your objective realities. Therefore, it moves from the expression of concept into the expression of reality.
What is meant by this is that you have actually already altered your reality. Your reality continues to alter in what you may term to be a day-by-day action, a moment-by-moment action. It is, in actuality, being created differently. Therefore, the definitions that may have applied concerning your reality previously do not fit any longer in the reality that you are now creating.
HOWARD: Thatís right.
ELIAS: Therefore, as you experience a movement such as this expression that you are creating now, and have been in relation to this subject matter of this individual and their choice of disengagement or what you term to be death, you seek out explanation and definitions for your expressions which no longer fit within your present experience of reality. They may have been justified, so to speak, previously in the reality that you have created previously. But in a manner of speaking, those explanations and definitions are meaningless in THIS reality.
And this is, in actuality, the nature of your questioning, not ďwhere is this emotion coming from,Ē in your words, but ďwhat is the expression of this emotion? What is its definition in relation to this reality that I am now participating within and creating?Ē Therefore, what is the communication?
HOWARD: Yes, and I think I said pretty much the same thing, that this was a shift deal, and my awareness of a casual acquaintance, of his passing and the emptiness that I feel, was and is a part of this shift.
ELIAS: It is a new recognition that you offer to yourself in this altered expression of reality.
HOWARD: Yes, it is.
ELIAS: And in this, shall we explore what the actual identification and communication of this sadness and this emptiness is?
HOWARD: I believe that I can do that.
ELIAS: Very well.
HOWARD: And I believe that what Iíve learned from this will be very helpful to me, at least to recognize in the future.
ELIAS: Indeed! And if you are so choosing, I express to you my continued offering that I shall be available to be offering explanation, if you wish.
HOWARD: Okay. Thank you, thatís fine. That is fine. Iíll be taking you up on that, Iím sure, in the future. (Elias smiles and nods)
ELIAS: Very well, my friend.Ē [session 781, February 18, 2001]
HOWARD: ď... I think what Iíll do is start with kind of bringing back the discussion that we had regarding Gage T.ís passing and your suggestion to me that you would be available to talk some more about the feelings that I had regarding his withdrawal, the sudden withdrawal, from my life. I said to you I believed that I would be working on this over the year, and a year has transpired and here the session is in front of me again.
I thought it would be pertinent to bring this up in the light of Vickiís sudden departure and how it affected so many people (6), and if there was something we havenít touched yet regarding the hole, the emptiness Ė excuse me Ė (emotionally) that we feel when a friend has passed on. Thatís it. Itís an open plea, if you will, for understanding.
ELIAS: Very well. This may offer you the opportunity to examine in reality the strength of your beliefs, not merely in concept. In these types of situations, my friend, you present yourself with actual experience in relation to the intensity of the influence of your beliefs in association with your perceptions and the opportunity to notice the reality of your perception and how this perception actually does create your physical reality. For in this, as you allow yourselves to be paying attention to what you generate in such intensity in what you identify as feelings, you also present to yourself now the opportunity to examine the information that I have offered to you not merely in concept but to explore this information and these concepts, and turn to allow yourself to generate them in reality rather than merely intellectual concept.
I have expressed to you that emotion is a communication. I have also expressed to you that within this physical dimension you generate a tremendous expression of separation, which prior to this shift in consciousness has been quite purposeful and has served you quite well in generating an allowance in the purity of your experiences. But I have also expressed that within the action of this shift you are thinning, and even in some aspects dropping, these veils of separation. You hold an awareness of this intellectually and in concept, but you also generate confusion in how you shall be creating that expression of dropping these veils.
From the onset of this forum, my friend, I have been expressing, one of the veils of separation that you are piercing in the action of this shift is that between physical focus and nonphysical expressions, and the concept of death. I have also expressed to you all to turn your attentions to self and allow yourselves to view your actual abilities.
This shift is now progressing into the objective insertion into your reality. Recently I have offered information to you all concerning paying attention to HOW you create your reality, not merely WHAT you create within your reality. And now, my friend, energy surges are occurring in strength to be almost FORCING yourselves to move your attentions to yourselves in association with all of these concepts to generate an actual reality. These are all aspects of this shift, and I have also expressed to you that these movements do generate trauma. In this, as you begin to allow yourself to pay attention to all of these concepts that I have offered to you in information and piece them together as an immense puzzle, you may begin to generate an understanding of HOW you create your movement.
Allow yourself the recognition of what I am expressing to you of the power of perception and how it actually generates all Ė ALL Ė of your physical reality, and in this, I am not speaking figuratively to you in the moments in which I express to you that although you do interact with other individualsí energies, you individually actually generate through your perception the actual physical manifestation of other individuals.
Recently I have offered information concerning what you engage in exchange of energy or interaction of energy with other individuals. I have explained that many times you are actually allowing yourselves to receive an energy expression, a projection, from another individual which is expressed with the other individualís attention, but there are also other time frameworks, moments, in which you interact with energy of another individual but not necessarily energy which contains the individualís attention. These may be energy deposits of the other individual, which are just as real and are aspects of the other individualís projected energy but may not necessarily incorporate the individualís attention. I have offered explanation in how you may recognize this difference, for you all engage these actions throughout your focuses. (7)
The point of offering that information was to allow for an explanation concerning the individualís attention, YOUR attention, and what you create through your perception concerning individuals that have disengaged. For even as an individual may continue to be physically manifest within your physical dimension, what you interact with in actual physical manifestation is a creation of your own. It is a projection of YOUR perception.
Therefore, I have offered information to allow you to recognize, in your terms, what it means to be interactive with the energy expression of another individual and that that action is no different within physical focus or within nonphysical focus. The energy that you choose to be interactive with is the same, and you incorporate the ability to generate the configuration of that energy in physical expressions in the same manner as you do with an individual that is participating in physical focus as one that has chosen to disengage through what you term to be death and may be nonphysically focused. This also may be generated in association with other focuses of your own essence within this dimension and other dimensions.
I have offered explanation from the onset of this forum that this is an aspect of this shift in consciousness, but now, as you are inserting this shift into your objective reality, you are moving your awareness to a point of actually recognizing your abilities in these expressions. It may be initially confusing, but now you are actually allowing yourselves to begin creating these actions, not merely assimilating them subjectively.
In this, the reason that you generate such an intensity of sorrow in association with another individual that has chosen to be incorporating death is that this type of choice emphasizes to you the strength of your association with beliefs concerning separation. What is actually being communicated in that emotion is the clear identification of that influence of beliefs expressing to yourself, ĎWithin this moment you are extremely denying your choices and discounting your ability.í As I have expressed recently to other individuals, figuratively speaking in a manner that you may understand objectively, denial of your choices and extreme discounting of your abilities is so contrary to the natural expression of essence, for choice is so intrinsic to essence, that this is an expression that may almost move the essence to weep.
I may express to you, my friend, this type of extreme denial of choice within self is not expressed often, but in the moments in which it is, you shall incorporate a tremendous objective awareness for your communication to yourself shall almost be a scream. It shall be generated in tremendous intensity, and this is what you experience in the signal, in the feeling of tremendous sorrow and that which you have expressed as this immense hole. It is not an expression that has been generated by the choice of the other individual or that you are missing the other individual, although this is your automatic response and how you define what you are feeling. In actuality, what you are feeling is a tremendous inability to allow yourself to generate the same action of interacting with the other individualís energy that you allowed yourself prior to the other individualís disengagement.
Let me express to you, quite realistically there are individuals that do allow themselves to continue interaction with other individualsí energy expressions even subsequent to the individualís disengagement. Some allow themselves to open enough to merely allow an audible interaction in which they hear the other individual. Some allow merely for impressions of the other individual. Some allow dream interaction with the other individual. But there are some individuals that allow themselves to actually engage the same type of interaction with energy with an individual that has disengaged physical focus and generate an actual physical manifestation of the other individual in the same manner that they allowed themselves prior to the individualís disengagement.
Now; your societies view this type of expression as lunacy and express tremendous disbelief that an individual is engaging this type of interaction, but I may express to you quite literally, there are individuals that do allow themselves to continue to generate through their perception an actual physical manifestation of the other individual in the same manner that they generated it prior to the disengagement, for it is YOUR creation.
The only veil that stands between your energy and another individualís energy is that which you generate in association with your beliefs Ė PERIOD. For in actuality there IS no separation. Therefore, the energy continues to be expressed by yourself and by the other individual.
HOWARD: I wrote a thing a long time ago after reading one of Krishnamurtiís books, that the difference between creating your own reality and being a victim was really how you perceive yourself, that if you live your life as other people perceive you to be, youíre a victim. The only way to do things would be to live your life as you perceive yourself to be.
ELIAS: And to offer yourself choice.
HOWARD: Well, thank you so much for that. It was once again a reminder that there is light at the end of the tunnel, or that weíre not in a pit of someone elseís making.
ELIAS: You are not Ė but you are, if you perceive yourself to be.
HOWARD: Correct. What Iíve heard from you will be something that Iíll be looking at more in the future about my reactions to certain people, for example, and business situations and so on. Thank you, because itís given me a reminder that what Iím seeing is pretty much the feedback of what Iím giving...
HOWARD: ...and I can change that.
ELIAS: And so you may.Ē [session 1018, February 25, 2002]
JOANNE: ď... Margot started this whole thing about am I dead and donít know it. When Mom told me that, it was like getting hit in the chest. It was like oh my god! It seemed like a real possibility Ė am I dead and donít know it? Well, yes, I am dead and donít know it! (Laughs)
MARJ: Like are you awake or sleeping, the way we feel sometimes like we donít know the difference between the two.
JOANNE: I walked around for a good week saying what if you are dead and you donít know it?
ELIAS: Ah, but as I have expressed, you do recognize eventually.
JOANNE: I just figured maybe I was a little slow, and I was creating you to tell me about other things and dealing with beliefs, which is what going through transition is, right?
ELIAS: And you are.
MARJ: Is she in transition, Elias?
MARJ: (To Joanne) And you didnít know it?
JOANNE: No, I sort of suspected.
ELIAS: Eventually, within a short time span, so to speak, subsequent to disengagement, if you are continuing to incorporate generating objective imagery in association with this physical reality, you shall begin to notice a difference, for you are not interacting with other individuals any longer. You are creating the imagery, but it is devoid of the actual energy of other individuals. It is merely your energy, and it becomes quite predictable.
JOANNE: Because I thought things have changed since I got into this information. I hear things now, I see things, so it was kind of like maybe Iím slowly telling myself hey, youíre dead. Thatís why you are seeing things and hearing things, you know. Then I was like if you are dead, then the rules donít apply anymore and you wouldnít have to clean the house or go grocery shopping or pay taxes.
ELIAS: Correct, although it is dependent upon what you are generating within the continuation of that objective perception, generating objective imagery and creating what is familiar to you in association with physical reality.
JOANNE: Thatís what I was thinking, I would create everything familiar until I slowly figured out that somethingís different here.
ELIAS: Correct. What becomes noticeable is the lack of actual participation of energy of other individuals. Therefore, the other individuals become hollow and they are responsive to you without surprise, for you are generating all of their choices. They are your images devoid of other energies, and therefore all of the interactions that you generate are quite predictable, for they are what you create and there is no surprise.
JOANNE: They are acting the way I want them to act.
MARJ: They are acting like puppets.
ELIAS: Yes, precisely.
JOANNE: Well, then Iím not dead! (Laughs)
MARJ: Because people are fighting me! (Laughs)
ELIAS: This be the reason that I express that if you are questioning whether you are continuing within physical focus or not, you may generate quite a simple action to convince yourself. You may express a request of another individual to generate an unpredictable action to you in a moment that you are not expecting it. In that, it is the choice of the other individual to generate the action and to generate the timing in which the action occurs that you shall not expect.
JOANNE: So then if Iím surprised...
JOANNE: ...Iím still alive, and if I say I knew you were gonna do that, then Iím dead. (Laughs)
ELIAS: Not necessarily!
MARJ: If somebody comes up and slaps you across the face and you didnít expect it, you say oh, I must be alive! (Laughter)
JOANNE: No problem!Ē (Laughs) [session 1449, September 28, 2003]
MIKE: ďI donít really have a specific direction to go into, other than Iím in a rut. I donít really know whatís going on with me, so I was kind of hoping you could shed some light on that for me.
ELIAS: What is your assessment of your situation?
MIKE: My assessment? My assessment is that I am a complete freak and the whole world is working against me. Iím not quite sure why I still exist at this point, because Iím not quite sure what my value fulfillment is. I just donít feel like Iím alive. I feel like Iím so irritated in my own skin that I canít even sleep. I donít want to be awake; I donít want to be asleep; I donít want to be doing anything. I just want to not exist, but yet I still exist. So thatís my assessment, if you choose to call it that.
ELIAS: Ah! Generating quite a direction of victim!
MIKE: (Laughs) Maybe.
ELIAS: Victim of yourself and of other individuals and societies and what have you. (Chuckles)
MIKE: Yes. So how do I fix it?
ELIAS: And what do you view motivates your continuation?
MIKE: My continuation in feeling like that?
ELIAS: In existing.
MIKE: I donít know. I donít really feel motivated to exist, Elias. I donít really feel any motivation or anything. Itís like, I wake up and I know I have things I need to get done, but I really donít want to be doing anything. I donít really even want to wake up. Iíve sort of been self-medicating on various drugs just so I could go to sleep, like be asleep. I donít even want to remember my dreams at this point. Iím still conscious in my dreams. (A few inaudible seconds, as Mikeís voice blinks in and out on the phone)
ELIAS: Interesting. And you are creating significant interference in your communication in this conversation with your equipment, which shall be affecting of your recording.
MIKE: Is this something Mary can fix?
ELIAS: This is an interference of YOUR equipment.
But let me express to you also, what is your motivation for not disengaging?
MIKE: Well, I mean I sort of already Ė I want to say this without judging myself Ė I sort of already have an idea. I sort of am motivated to disengage, Elias, quite honestly, and Iíve already obtained a method. Really at this point Iím concerned that I would fuck up like I did the last time. As youíre aware, Iíve tried this before and it didnít work, and the results afterwards were not very pleasant. So itís more of a fear as to why I donít do it, because it seems like everything I do Iím fucking up at. So if I even try, would I even succeed at it, you know?
ELIAS: Ah! Generating, other than victim, also becoming an accomplished failure. Ha ha ha ha!
MIKE: Yes. (Laughs)
ELIAS: And in this, have you genuinely evaluated clearly what you want?
MIKE: Well, hereís my thinking in terms of what I want.
ELIAS: Very well.
MIKE: What I want doesnít seem to be obtainable to me. Iím not talking about just in terms of material things or whatever; Iím talking in terms of what I can do, what I can apply myself to.
In terms of school, what Iím doing at school, I continually surprise myself by the fact that I could be stoned half the year and still get Aís and Bís. I always freak out in the middle of the semester that Iím not gonna be able to ... Iím gonna fail, you know? But I do get a good grade. However, I donít see that as being an accomplishment, because after the fact I donít really remember what it was that I studied. I donít really know what it was, and if someone were to ask me what I learned, I would be able only to give very scant details or whatever.
Iím bringing this up because school is a big part of my life right now. So just the idea that Iím incapable of applying myself to learning and doing what it is that I want to be doing, Iím just not able to carry that out. Does that make sense?
ELIAS: I am understanding. But what is it that you actually want? Obviously you want to be producing certain grades.
MIKE: Because at this point in my life, I really donít have any other outlet to draw my self-worth from. So school is it, because itís really the only thing going on in my life right now. If I canít even get good grades in school, then whatís the point in me even being here? Iím putting myself in debt every semester Iím here, because itís going on my credit, I have to take out loans, and this and this and that. Itís like if Iím going to be doing that, then for myself I have to be getting good grades. Otherwise to me thereíd be no point in being there.
But at the same time Iím also there to learn, and though I am learning, for some reason Iím just not able to remember a lot of the stuff that Iím learning. I canít motivate myself to study hard. I canít motivate myself to read, to actually be in the process of learning.
ELIAS: I am understanding. I am inquiring specifically, for in the inquiries that I offer to you, in your responses you are offering yourself information. Are you listening to the information that you are offering yourself?
MIKE: Iím listening to what Iím saying, and I guess Iím able to draw some kind of answers from it. But my issue is, or what I think my issue is, is that even if I sit here and say, ĎI donít want to be at school right now; this is not what I want to be doing,í I donít know what I would rather be doing instead. So for me to be not doing anything at all, to be sitting around thinking about something else to do, is just complete torture. I think I would just hurl myself off a bridge if I had to do that.
ELIAS: Therefore you incorporate this path, so to speak, of forcing your energy in an obvious direction that you are not motivated in and that you do not prefer, and you do not generate interest other than generating certain grades as a measure of your value.
MIKE: Yeah. I mean, there is some interest in what Iím studying. But I guess I would like to already know what it is Iím learning. I donít want to take the time to sit down and read and do all that. I just want to know. Do you know what Iím saying?
MIKE: Itís like, I want to know psychology, I want to study Italian and get good at these classes that Iím taking, but Iím just not motivated to invest the time into actually doing it. Itís the process, I think, that Iím not motivated to do. What the end of it is, like actually being able to understand these concepts and stuff that Iím supposed to be learning, Iím actually motivated to know and understand, but itís the process Iím just not interested in.
ELIAS: Which is significant, for this is an analogy for all of exploration within your focus, or in your terms, your very existence.
It is the process that is the subject, not the outcome. You have moved yourself into a position of concentration in anticipation of outcomes rather than allowing yourself to participate and appreciate the process, and the process is the point, for that is what you are doing throughout the entirety of your focus. It all concerns the process, the process of exploration. The outcome is not the point. For in actuality, there is never an actual outcome, for it is continuously changing as you continuously engage more of the process.
In this, what you are generating is a concentration upon what you assess to be unattainable, and in this, somewhat you are correct, for you are generating a perception concerning end points in many different directions, generating a definition of success as being the end points Ė but there are no end points.
In this, you are generating this perception in relation to every direction within your focus in this time framework, whether it be continuation in this focus or whether it be to not continue in this focus. In either direction your concentration continues to be directed to the end points.
MIKE: Let me ask you this, Elias, because this is where I get into conflict. We touched on this before. What makes me so different from everybody else who looks at just the end points and actually is able to get to that point? I mean, Iím looking at the end points, and Iím concerning myself with the end points and the success and the outcome. Why am I creating conflict because of that, when other people who might be doing the same thing actually get what theyíre looking to get?
ELIAS: I am understanding. The difference is the interaction and action of the process. Other individuals may, in your terms, set for themselves goals, so to speak, different accomplishments that they wish to be generating, and those goals or accomplishments, in their beliefs and in their actions and in their manner of defining, may require in their action different processes to achieve those accomplishments. The individuals generate a different perception from yourself, for they incorporate an acceptance of the process and allow themselves to appreciate the process and accomplish the goal as the reward, so to speak, but they do not necessarily view the accomplishment to be the end point. They do not necessarily view the actual outcome or accomplishment to be the finality.
You have generated a perception in which each accomplishment, regardless of what direction you are moving in, is an actual end point, not a beginning point. Individuals that generate a successfulness in their process in any particular direction are actually not viewing the outcome as an end point, but as a beginning point.
In this, allow yourself to evaluate with disengaging as an example, for it may be incorporated as an example in relation to other directions and other actions Ė in relationships, in school, in travel. In many different directions this may also be applied in expressing the same type of perception.
You contemplate the action of disengaging, and your assessment of that action is that it will generate an end point. It will be the finish line, and therefore all shall be entirely different. But in this, there is an uncertainty, for in that end point you do not incorporate the surety that it is not actually a genuine end point and that there is nothing beyond it.
But even if you consider the possibility Ė and I am speaking quite individually to you Ė that perhaps there is existence beyond that end point, it is unfathomable to you, and therefore the end point of death in your perception generates an entirely different type of existence. Therefore, in your assessment, it is a genuine end point; it is not a beginning point.
MIKE: Right. And so thatís essentially why I donít disengage?
ELIAS: There are elements of fear; there are elements of doubt in your ability, which is also expressed in every other direction that you incorporate within your focus, not merely concerning death. You doubt your ability to be accomplishing successfully in any direction, but the success in any direction continues to be perceived as that end point. There is quite a different energy, which is expressed in generating the perception of the successfulness creating the beginning point rather than the end point.
What is the point and what generates motivation if you are merely moving towards an end point?
MIKE: I guess I can understand that one.
ELIAS: There would be no motivation within consciousness, period, were the movement to be striving towards an end point of any type. For what would be the purpose of exploration if there is an end point?
MIKE: Let me ask you this, then. So maybe part of why I look at these different directions as end points is maybe because I donít really have, or so I donít think, a direction that Iím sure enough that I want to continue along in. Not that I want something to accomplish and thatís the end point and I want to get there and thatís it, but I donít really ... say, like psychology. Iím studying psychology. I donít want to be a psychologist; I just want to understand the science of psychology. But beyond that point, I donít really know what it is I want to do with that degree or once I graduate or... Itís nothing new. Itís what Iíve been talking with you about since Iíve been talking with you.
So itís like I donít really know how not to look at these things as an end point, because to me there is nothing beyond these things. I donít really have anything to look forward to. (Pause) Does that make sense?
ELIAS: Yes. And what do you look forward to in death?
MIKE: Honestly, when I think about disengaging... I mean, this session was originally supposed to be the ĎIím going to ask you why I think youíre so full of shití session (Elias laughs loudly), and so now Iím finding myself needing to hear some answers and you do tend to give me answers. But with that perception of thinking that youíre full of shit and thinking Ė really not just you, but pretty much any organized religion, any philosophy Ė it just becomes overwhelming to me, like which one has the quote/unquote right answer of what really happens after death.
From your model, from how youíve presented what occurs and what Seth presented as to what occurs, that makes me feel okay inside. So when I think about it in those terms, I want to disengage because I want a different type of reality. Not that I think I could be accomplishing any better or anything like that, itís just that I feel like Iím in a box in this physical world and the only time I feel okay is when Iím not awake. Even when Iím consciously aware that Iím dreaming or Iím just having a memory of a dream or in my fantasies, those are really the only times that I feel okay. While Iím awake and conscious and Iím dealing in this realm, I just donít like it; it just makes me want to crawl out of my skin. So part of my thing when I think of disengaging is I want more options. I want a different kind of reality to deal with, to interact with.
ELIAS: But that is a process also.
MIKE: Right, but itís something new. I guess thatís also part of it, that this is so old to me here. Itís just like Iím doing the same thing over and over again. I want it to be gone. I want to try something different. If that means Iím going to be in conflict and pretty much going through the same process or a process but in a new environment, I donít mind that. I really just want a change.
ELIAS: Ah, but obviously you have not genuinely listened to my explanations of disengagement, for I may express to you a reiteration. That also is a process, and that is dependent upon YOU in the same manner that it is dependent upon you now, how you direct that. I have expressed, individuals may disengage but many times individuals as they disengage do not necessarily generate the action of transition immediately. Time in...
MIKE: Does this apply to me? Like if I were to drop dead right now, are you saying that I would not engage transition immediately?
ELIAS: I may express to you an identification of potentials. I may not express to you an absolute as a prediction, for that negates choice. But I may express to you potentials and what you may term to be likelihoods, what is more probable in association with your energy, your direction, your beliefs.
In this, the potential would be were you to disengage this day now, you would not be generating transition immediately. You would continue to be generating an objective awareness and creating an actual physical world, so to speak, which is familiar to you. Eventually, it would begin to become more and more obvious to you that there are differences, and eventually it would become obvious objectively to you that you are creating everything in that world and that you are creating all of the other individuals without their participation and that you are manipulating all of the imagery, for eventually you will discontinue surprising yourself. (Mike laughs)
Other individuals project energy to you, and generally speaking, as I have expressed previously, you do not reconfigure their energy. Therefore, what you project through your perception of the other individual and what they are expressing is almost precisely the same as what they are actually projecting. Therefore, other individuals may express in manners that are surprising to you, for they are unexpected.
But if you are not actually engaging the energy of other individuals, if you are generating all of the imagery yourself and incorporate no input from any other individual, you shall begin to not surprise yourself. For a time you may continue to surprise yourself, but eventually you do not and you recognize that there is no input. In that recognition you begin to understand that you are generating all of this imagery, which begins to indicate to you that you are not actually participating in this physical reality any longer. Therefore, you may assess that you are dead. (Mike laughs)
Now; at that point, many times individuals may choose to continue to express an objective awareness for a limited time framework. For in that recognition that they are actually creating all of the imagery that they are presenting to themselves, they also realize that they incorporate the ability to manipulate any action in their reality, and at times individuals choose to be playing with that ability and subsequently moving into transition. But the point...
(Bobbiís note: the phone disconnects at 8:29 AM. Mike calls back, and after a brief conversation with Mary, Elias returns.)
ELIAS: Continuing! (Chuckles)
ELIAS: Obviously you are not quite receptive to what I am expressing to you!
MIKE: Iím still listening, though!
ELIAS: (Laughing) Very well! I shall continue.
In this, recognize that what you may be generating once you die may be quite similar to what you are generating now, and it may incorporate what you perceive to be a time framework before you realize that you are not engaging any other energies.
Let me also express to you, time nonphysically is different from time physically. As an example, in your reality you configure time in a specific manner, in which you perceive it to pass in a linear fashion. Minutes are minutes, hours are hours, days are days, years are years. Nonphysically, incorporating an objective awareness, it appears to you to move quite similarly, for this is what you are accustomed to. But in actuality, were you to step outside of what you were creating and view the physical reality and its movement of time, and the nonphysical reality and the objective incorporation of time, in physical reality six months may pass, so to speak, and to your perception it may be six minutes.
MIKE: See, that sounds like fun, Elias.
ELIAS: Ah, it may, in what you imagine. But six months in linear time may pass and you have merely moved into a moment in which you find yourself awake.
MIKE: I see.
ELIAS: Therefore, you shall not notice that six months has been incorporated within physical focus. But your incorporation of time, although it is configured differently, so to speak, that it appears in your assessment to move faster in nonphysical, were it to be associated with the physical incorporation of time, you may be engaging this state of objective awareness within the nonphysical expression but generating quite physical imagery for a time framework of perhaps 10 or 20 years.
MIKE: Whoa! Wow! (Elias chuckles) But the experience in my perception from that point would only be that of what, a few hours, weeks?
MIKE: I would actually experience...
ELIAS: Your experience would be of that incorporation of time. It may not necessarily BE that amount of time. This is what I am expressing to you. It may actually be a configuration of actual time of merely a year, but your perception of it shall be of ten or twenty years, for you continue to generate an objective perception, an objective awareness.
The point of transition is not merely to shed beliefs associated with any particular physical dimension, but also to shed the objective awareness, for it is unnecessary. Objective awareness is generated only in association with physical dimensions, with physical realities. Perception is a tool of the objective awareness; therefore it also is not necessary. In nonphysical areas of consciousness there is no perception. It is associated merely with physical realities. But that is a strong configuration of energy and is not immediately shed merely that you choose to disengage. That is what I am expressing to you. That is also a process that generates a beginning.
MIKE: Okay, let me ask you this, Elias. What is it exactly that ... what is my value fulfillment in this focus? What is it that is keeping me existing? Because according to what Iíve read, from what youíve said and from what youíve told me, when your value fulfillment is fulfilled or is no longer being fulfilled, you disengage and you move on. So obviously thereís something that Iím continuing to fulfill. So what is it, and how do I make it a more pleasant experience?
ELIAS: Ah. Now; these are two very different directions, for your automatic association with value and fulfillment is that it should be positive or pleasant, and as I have expressed previously, value is not always expressed in comfort. The automatic association is that it is. But as I have addressed to groups of individuals and inquired, ĎWhat do you value?í generally speaking the response from most individuals shall be some expression of comfort or joyfulness or happiness or some positive expression. And I may express to you as I have to other individuals that is not true.
You value many expressions AND you value uncomfortable expressions. If you did not value them, you would not create them. You do not create what you do not value. Value is not always associated with positive, and this is associated with beliefs, beliefs that what is worth valuing is also worth struggling or sacrifice or discomfort or waiting. There are many expressions within your reality that are valued and are not necessarily comfortable.
MIKE: So what is it that my focus values? I wish I could answer. Youíre going to say, ĎYou tell me,í and Iím gonna say right now that I really have no clue, because I really donít know what it is that I value. I understand the things, the negative and the positive experience, and that Iím automatically associating value with positive. In retrospect I guess I can see some of these negative experiences that Iíve had, and I have, Iíve looked back on them with value, and oh my god, Iíve valued that!
But Iím just trying to find a thread of what is the theme of my value fulfillment. What kind of experiences am I here to generate, to value?
ELIAS: You value puzzles.
MIKE: Me? I value puzzles?
MIKE: I see. Okay. All right... (Laughs)
ELIAS: You value any direction of exploration if it is a puzzle. If it does not incorporate a simplistic answer, if it incorporates a maze, if it incorporates a challenge to discover the puzzle pieces, you value that exploration regardless of whether it is comfortable or it is not comfortable.
And you generate different puzzle pieces to create the maze or the puzzle. It is too simple to be merely incorporating an action such as disengaging. (Mike laughs) Therefore, it is more interesting if it becomes a puzzle. If you incorporate fear and if you incorporate hesitancy, you challenge yourself to become more creative and generate the maze. It is not a matter of moving from point A to point B; it is a matter of moving to point B via X and R and T and W.
MIKE: (Laughs) I guess this is really the first time Iíve heard you or anyone ask this and you give an answer with this kind of detail like this. Is this like something... I mean, my conception of reality and why people, why essences, come here is kind of to figure out a puzzle in some respect, so Iím wondering how common or uncommon this value fulfillment of mine is.
ELIAS: That is not necessarily...
MIKE: I guess Iím asking, am I like standard issue?
ELIAS: That would be a challenging question to be answering, for you are unique, and the manner in which you choose to be generating your exploration is unique to you. That is not to say that there may not be other individuals that choose similar directions and similar expressions and experiences, but the manner in which you generate is individually unique to you.
Therefore, the response to the question is both Ė yes, this is unique to you, but also no, it may not necessarily be uncommon as a general direction. But it is not necessarily common, either.
MIKE: Now I already prepped myself with this shift thing and this truth wave and all this. I donít want a re-iteration of that, per se, but Iíve been becoming more and more aware, or not even aware but Iíve just been creating more and more of a stronger perception of how I really donít fit in into any one group like everybody around me does, and in reflection this is getting stronger and stronger.
This really isnít new, when I look back. Since about the age of ten Iíve pretty much been in situations where I canít really relate to too many other people because of my experiences. So when I try to interact with most people, itís like I donít mind interacting with them and I guess some part of me can relate with them, but I just donít feel like they can relate to me.
ELIAS: I am understanding.
MIKE: So Iím wondering ... okay, what Iím going to say, I know thereís judgment behind it, but I hope youíre going to overlook that. I guess my question is what is my malfunction?
ELIAS: It is what we have been identifying, your attraction to puzzles and your exploration with that. In that, what is generated is a type of perception in which you view yourself not merely to be different but that you view yourself to be more complicated than other individuals, and in a manner of speaking you are, for this is what you do. You complicate rather than simplify, which is not bad; it is merely a choice of a direction. This generates your puzzles, which generates your value fulfillment. But at times it also generates a perception within you that other individuals are more simple.
MIKE: (Laughs) Yeah, I guess thatís true!
ELIAS: (Chuckles) Which also generates somewhat of a judgment that in their simplicity they are not as deep as yourself.
MIKE: (Laughs) Thatís true, though, isnít it?
ELIAS: HA HA HA HA! They may not be necessarily as complicated as you are and that may not necessarily be bad, either! (Both laugh) But there is difference, which as you are aware is a very strong expression that is being addressed to in this wave of truths.
MIKE: So what about these... Iíve talked with you on different occasions and each time Iíve talked with you about it, Iíve had a different, I guess, trigger for it, so now I really canít identify what the trigger for this physical symptom is. But itís pretty much the same thing that Iíve been experiencing, what Iíve talked with you about before with the headaches, the dizziness. I think the last time I talked with you about this it was sugar being my trigger, and I would start to blank out a little bit.
Lately for the last few months Iíve had these waves of... I canít even begin to describe what itís like. Itís not a dizziness and itís not a discombobulation. Itís more like I feel like my head is in a vice. Sometimes it hurts and sometimes it doesnít. But it just feels like thereís so much pressure in my head that I canít really think, I canít focus. I canít do very much when Iím in that state. My whole body just starts to shut down at that point. I canít work out; I canít do anything. Itís like I just want to sit and stare at the wall. It happens every day, and I cannot seem to pinpoint what is triggering it.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) What is triggering it is what we have been discussing throughout this interaction. It is not one particular action; it is the general movement.
This, once again as a puzzle, incorporates a complication in which you allow yourself to stop and you offer yourself a viable excuse to not continue in whatever action you should be engaging that you do not want to be engaging, and there may be no expectation of other individuals for you to be engaging what you SHOULD be engaging, for this is an understandable excuse.
MIKE: Right. So with this exercise that you gave me for the summer when I was having physical body symptoms, I think it was to focus on lavender and just quiet yourself or something like that. (8) Would something like that be able to dissipate the effects? Because it really is an uncomfortable experience.
ELIAS: Yes, and once you relax yourself to a point, allow yourself to engage fantasy.
ELIAS: Yes, or what you term to be fantasy.
Allow yourself to re-experience different incorporations of your adventures in other countries, for this provides a distraction, and in that distraction you are generating an incorporation of energy in a different manner. You are allowing yourself to be acknowledging and validating, rather than moving into an expression of disappointment. Therefore you interrupt the flow of energy, which is moving in a familiar manner and moving into an expression of disappointment. In this, you reconfigure the energy and generate a validation and allow yourself a moment of appreciation, which you offer yourself precious little of...
MIKE: Yes, I am aware.
ELIAS: ...and which may be quite beneficial to practice.
MIKE: ... Okay, Elias, thank you very much. Iím still out of time, so thank you very, very much!
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
MIKE: I promise you in my next session I will ask you about you being full of shit, and Iíll have plenty of questions along that line!
ELIAS: Very well! Ha ha ha! That may incorporate some fun!
ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well, my friend. Regardless of how you view myself and whether you incorporate any belief in my existence or what I express to you, it matters not! (Laughs) For perhaps I may not believe in you, either!
MIKE: Touchť! (Laughing)
ELIAS: And regardless, you incorporate my affection. (Laughs)
I shall be anticipating our next meeting, my dear friend Ė although you may not necessarily be my dear friend, for you do not exist! (Mike laughs) And what is a friend, regardless? Ha ha!
Be PLAYFUL, Mikah [Mike]! (Laughs) To you, as always in wondrous lovingness, au revoir.
MIKE: Ciao.Ē [session 1474, November 23, 2003]
DREW: ďSpeaking of death, as we were a moment ago, is it true to say weíre all dead?
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking Ė as equally as true to express that you are all living.
DREW: So from the point of view of perception, the awareness of this death within my own reality will merely be an expansion of awareness. Is that correct? Thereís really no difference in...
ELIAS: Not necessarily. The awareness of the choice of death in the moment of death is the awareness of disengaging. This is the reason that I incorporate that term Ė disengaging participation from physical reality.
Now; the awareness of that choice may or may not extend beyond the moment of the choice. Therefore, you may not necessarily incorporate initially an expanded awareness. For many individuals generate an awareness of the choice of death at the moment that it is chosen and they know they are disengaging from this physical reality and they know that they are choosing to continue in a different manner. Subsequent to that choice, [they] shall forget and not incorporate an awareness that they have engaged that choice and continue to generate objective imagery and view themselves to be continuing within physical focus. And it appears to them to be the same as it was, with some slight alterations, within the time framework that they were actually engaging within physical focus.
DREW: So what is the difference?
ELIAS: Ah! The difference is that once the individual has disengaged and if they are continuing to generate an objective awareness and generate objective imagery temporarily, they are not actually directly interacting with other individualís energies as they were within actual physical focus. They are generating the imagery the same, but there is not an actual projection of the other individualís energy which they are receiving.
Eventually they recognize that all they are creating is quite predictable, and eventually they recognize that there is no participation directly with the energies of all the other individuals that they are engaging and interacting with. They may be viewing them as solidly and as realistically as you view each other, but there is no direct energy projection that they are receiving.
Now; at times, especially now in this time framework as you are moving more and more into the objective expression of this shift, the veils of separation are being thinned quite significantly. In that, at times now you within physical focus can project energy through those veils of separation to an individual that has disengaged, which shall allow that individual to be directly receiving some Ė not all Ė but some of your direct projected energy and attention in association with their creation, with their projection of you. Which in many situations that that is occurring now somewhat contributes to the individualís perception that they are continuing within physical focus; but it does not necessarily prolong the time framework in which they begin to recognize that they are not.
DREW: Thatís what Iím curious about. Youíve explained technically what happens, but Iím wondering from an experiential point of view. Itís possible that Iíve made the choice to disengage but Iím not aware of it?
DREW: No, itís not possible or...?
ELIAS: You have not. (Laughter)
Yes, hypothetically I am understanding your question. It is possible that you would be generating an objective reality such as this, interacting with myself and with all of the other individuals, and it would appear to you to be quite normal.
DREW: So at what point, and maybe itís different for everybody and Iím going to guess that youíll say it is, but generally speaking what clues are there? When does that awareness begin to take hold, and is that just an awareness that I can do things I couldnít do before?
DREW: Could you explain experientially what that...?
ELIAS: Partially you may be, in your terms, accidentally creating differences in your reality that you may have wished you would create within your physical reality but did not acknowledge your ability to create.
For example, the individual may be generating a physical reality such as this, or the imagery of it, participating in this group interaction and become distracted and in a moment be caught up, so to speak, in projecting their attention in a different direction to a different location. Suddenly they are there rather than here, which would be a discrepancy and would prompt you to notice that there are differences occurring.
One very commonly expressed clue that is easily recognized is that in association with other individuals there is no surprise. Whatever you generate in your objective imagery with other individuals, you do not generate surprise. All that they express in their imagery and interaction is predictable.
You may test within physical focus that you are within physical focus by incorporating another individual and requesting that they periodically generate some type of surprise that you do not expect, and that shall be your indicator that you are continuing to directly interact with other individualís energies.
In actuality, I have discussed this with an individual that has believed herself to be disengaged Ė ha ha ha! Ė and is not! And continues not to be! (Laughs)
DREW: And so as that awareness expands, that realization expands, the artificial physical focus just disappears, essentially?
ELIAS: It may and it may not. It begins to be a choice, an objective choice, and you know and you may continue. For some individuals do continue, for they view it as playful and fun to be manipulating within nonphysical consciousness but creating physical imagery, and they may continue for a time framework.
DREW: Initially is that continuation a buffer against trauma?
ELIAS: Not necessarily, no, for many individuals engage that action but it is not a rule. Some individuals move directly into transition. It is dependent upon the individual.Ē [session 1695, January 15, 2005]
JOHN: ď(Continues, inaudible question about disengagement.)
ELIAS: Yes, to your experiences. Yes, you are correct.
RODNEY: When you said that, the first thing that popped into my mind is what happens when my body goes. Theyíll throw me into the incinerator, but weíll still have memory, right?
ELIAS: This is an excellent question. Let me explain. There is a process that occurs when you choose to disengage, when you die. In this process, you generate the choice to disengage from this reality. You initiate that choice and you blink out.
Now; what is meant by that blink out is you are, in a manner of speaking, blinking out of this reality but you have not yet blinked in to nonphysical reality. As I have explained previously, that process is literally for the individual a blink, but in your linear physical time is approximately two weeks.
In that two weeks, there is a transition. The energy of the individual remains in this reality. It has not yet blinked into nonphysical reality. While it is continuing to remain here in this reality, it assimilates all from the body consciousness, which is dead. The body consciousness is shed. It is perceived and pronounced dead, but the energy, the essence, the attention of the individual remains and begins the process of assimilating all of the information from the body consciousness, which it assimilates and moves with into nonphysical consciousness. It is not lost.
LYNDA: Is that what you mean when you say that people who do not choose to immediately transition or shed beliefs about physicality, thatís why they keep creating physical imagery?
ELIAS: No. This is a different action. Once the individual blinks in to nonphysical consciousness Ė in your terms, they have died Ė and their attention and their essence is no longer present in your physical reality Ė which, as I have expressed, is approximately two of your weeks but a blink to the individual Ė once they generate that action, the individual generally speaking does not enter into transition immediately. The individual generally continues to create physical objective imagery that is very similar to what they were engaging within physical focus, with some differences.
One difference is the individual will image themself as a general age, not the age that they disengaged at. They also will not immediately remember their death. Therefore, they will not remember any of the circumstances or situations that were preceding their death. If they engaged a dis-ease, they will not image themself with the dis-ease. They will image themself as healthy and functioning, for they do not remember what they were creating to initiate the death. Regardless of how much time framework was involved to create that disengagement, they will not incorporate a memory of that. They also will incorporate objective imagery in relation to what is what you would term to be normal to them, but somewhat more pleasant.
Therefore, there will not be conflict. If the individual was generating conflicts with family members or friends, that will not be present. They will be interactive with the images of those individuals in a manner that is amiable and that is more of their ideal. But they are not actually interacting with any other individuals. They are interacting with their own images of other individuals. Therefore, they are not interacting with the attention of any individuals that remain within physical focus.
Eventually, they begin to notice discrepancies in their reality. Eventually, they begin to notice that in their interaction with the individuals that they are interacting with, the images of them, that there are no surprises, that their interaction is always very predictable. That will begin to spark their curiosity and questioning, and when that occurs, the individual generally will begin to remember their death.
Once they remember their death, they can choose whether to engage transition or whether to continue to create objective imagery. Many, many individuals choose to continue with creating objective imagery, for they realize that they are no longer actually participating in physical focus, and therefore, they also realize that they can manipulate their physical imagery much more freely and much more easily. They begin to realize that they can create the imagery of walking upon a beach in one moment and with a mere alteration of thought, they can create themselves being in another country, and they can be experiencing an entire different scenario.
This, for most individuals, is exciting and fun, and therefore, they do not always choose to immediately engage transition. For nonphysically, their beliefs are extremely relaxed. They do continue to incorporate them, but they are so relaxed that it is much more similar to your dreams, that in your dreams you can alter the scene very quickly and you can change the scenario very quickly. They can do this physically, once they recognize that they are no longer participating within physical focus.
RODNEY: It sounds like the ultimate out-of-body experience.
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. And actually, somewhat literal, for you do not incorporate a body any longer! (Laughter)
CURT: Is there an opportunity interact... (inaudible)?
ELIAS: There is, in two fashions. When the individual has disengaged and has not yet remembered their death, they can continue to be interactive with individuals that remain in physical focus. They can be aware of individuals within physical focus and their energy, and this is an element that contributes to their remembrance of their death. Once they remember their death and they know that they are no longer participating in physical focus, they can participate with other individuals that are also not participating in physical focus, and they can project energy to individuals within physical focus.
MALE: Elias, is there a name for that in-between period, that place?
ELIAS: It is not a place. It is here.
MALE: But I mean as far as transition or physical reality, what would be the space in-between?
ELIAS: It is not a space in-between. The individualís attention, their energy, their essence remains within your physical reality. It is not moved to a different place. It remains in this reality.
I would express to you, if an individual approached myself and expressed to myself, ĎI am experiencing an intuition that a friend or a family member of mine has disengaged, is dead, and I believe that this individual is no longer living from the point of yesterday.í If the individual requested myself to confirm that, I would express no. The individual has not disengaged yet. Their body may be in your terms dead, but the individual has not moved themselves from this reality yet.
ELLA: May I ask a question about the body? (Inaudible) What happens if the body itself is disposed of within a couple of days rather than two weeks? (Inaudible)
ELIAS: No, for immediately upon the death of the body consciousness, you as essence and your attention and your identity assimilates all of that information.Ē [session 2658, October 25, 2008]
(1) Paulís note: Elias has provided numerous exercises that focus on beliefs. Every page in this site has a link in the gold left-hand margin to the Exercises page.
(2) Paulís note: Elias refers to the alignment of tone within his energy exchange with Mary in which he instructed Ron to use of three knocks on the table top to help Mary refocus objectively after the alignment. This shows that Elias occasionally needs to adjust the manner in which his focus intersects with Maryís. This episode reflects just how dynamic engaging an energy exchange of this type is.
Mary described the sensation to me as similar to actress Jody Fosterís trip through the ďtime warpĒ in the movie Contact. In fact, when Mary saw Contact with her friend David Tate during the summer of 1997, she was blown away at how closely the special effects designers had simulated her own experience in the movie Ė the feeling of her consciousness being ďsqueezed,Ē ďpushed,Ē and accelerated at a tremendous, dizzying pace. Then being quite disoriented afterward when she refocused in her body.
Also notice that this ďadjustmentĒ occurred three months after Elias first discussed it in mid-November of 1995, some seventeen sessions later. So it was an ongoing process that culminated in this session with this particular experience.
These adjustments to the energy exchange appear to be ongoing.
(3) Vicís note: the new game is what is commonly termed a past-life regression, but what we call a TFE Ė trans-focal encounter. Weíve been facilitating each other in TFEís for a few years now. No, we have no training, and yes, it works anyway! Our basic ďmethodĒ is for the facilitator to talk the subject through a general body-relaxation process. Then we encourage the subject to connect with whatever aspect of themselves they choose, and if they allow themselves to do this, we ask questions about their experience. The operative word is ďallow.Ē Quite often the subject feels as if they are ďmaking it up,Ē which they are not, according to the dead guy!
Digests: find out more about the new game (TFEs).
(4) Paulís note: Elias uses the analogy of birds in a cage to represent the relationship between individual beliefs and belief systems.
(6) Paulís note: Vicky Pendley passed away unexpectedly on December 06, 2001 after a short bout of flu and pneumonia. She had been present from the second Elias session forward, and became responsible for transcribing and disseminating the Elias transcripts, among other things. Vic personally attended virtually all of the 264 sessions recorded in Castaic, California from April 29, 1995 to February 05, 1998. Her boisterous presence can be felt throughout the sessions she transcribed (through session 764 that, ironically, was a private with her and Bobbi Houle, her friend and neighbor who inherited her job). Vicís endnotes and other comments provided a valuable source of background information, insight, and occasional comic relief. This website is dedicated to her memory. We miss you old friend!
Library: find out more about Vicky Pendley.
Digests: find out more about energy deposits.
(8) Paulís note: Mike refers to a private session that is unpublished.
Digests Ė see also: | aspects of essence; an overview | attention (doing and choosing) | avenues of communication | becoming | belief systems; an overview | camouflage | choices/agreements | Creating Universal One And Whole/all of consciousness | dimension | dimensional veils | dis-ease and healing | duplicity | energy deposits | essence; an overview | expression of essence | fear | focus of essence; an overview | forum | imagery | information | inner senses; an overview | inner senses; empathic | ďkarmaĒ | manifestation | manifestations; cycle of | objective/subjective awareness | officially accepted reality | out of body experiences | perception | probabilities | Regional Area 1 | Regional Area 3 | ďreincarnationĒ | relationships | religion (spirituality) | remembrance of essence | separation | Seth/Jane Roberts | sexuality and emotion | shift in consciousness | simultaneous time | stop-points | time frameworks | transition | trauma of the shift in consciousness | value fulfillment | victims/perpetrators | waking state/dream state | waves in consciousness | widening awareness | you create your reality |
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