the Elias forum: Explore the transcript archive.










Thursday, March 14, 2002

<  Session 1033 (Private/Phone)  >


Participants: Mary (Michael) and Anjuli (Miranda).

Elias arrives at 12:26 PM. (Arrival time is 28 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good evening!

ANJULI: Good evening, Elias! That was an interesting preparation for the start of this session! (1)


ANJULI: Yes! Because it is now one hour later than scheduled. It was very interesting for me to go through all the feelings, to see what I communicated to myself and to understand what I created. I had for a short time a little bit of fear that I am not able to create this session, and then I remembered, whatever it is, it is all created by me and it has a reason and it is beneficial, and I can trust that creation. It is so interesting because also of the talk I had with Michael about the relationship with self. So I am fascinated by that creation.

ELIAS: Ha ha! And what have you noticed in this now?

ANJULI: I think the entire past hour, of having the session now and whatever was in that hour, is created by me to again validate to myself or again show myself how much easier it is now, even in challenging situations, to have the attention on self and to realize it is all my creation and to incorporate trust and playfulness.

ELIAS: Correct, for you offer yourself an example of noticing that you briefly incorporated an expression of doubt, but in turning your attention to yourself and recognizing that you are creating all of these choices, you allowed yourself to discontinue doubting your ability and express the trust that you do incorporate the ability to generate what you want, and therefore you did.

ANJULI: Yes! Very interesting! This is about what I was learning, creating, experiencing all the time since the last session. It was about the doubts and the trust into self and a few more duplicity birds. (Elias laughs) Yes, I discovered them! When you said how happy I am with the relationship with you and you reminded me about the intimacy with self, I discovered okay, that’s true, I think it to be more fun to be together with Elias! Do I have the same trust into my knowledge, the same fun just with myself? Or I mean not “just,” because it was myself. So yes, I do have! I created it.

Also I told Michael that I realized that before, I had my attention maybe once or twice or a few times during the day on self. I was not even realizing that or I was not able to do it more often, and now I sometimes have the feeling of it becoming more a habit. It is not yet fully a habit, but much more – when I am reading an email, when I am talking with my mother, I am aware of myself and aware that I am, like it was now in this hour. Just like it is now.

ELIAS: Correct, therefore it is becoming more familiar, and as you generate more of a familiarity, you also create more of an ease.

ANJULI: Yes. I thought that before going into the other interesting things, I at first ask you a little bit of some focuses of myself?

ELIAS: Very well.

ANJULI: Because this is still an area where I have to learn more about trusting my impressions. First I would like to start with a dream that I had before the last session, and this dream felt a little bit futurely. I was in a university attending a lecture probably about science, about physics, but it was not the physics we know. It was physics that incorporates the knowledge of energy in consciousness, I think. Then when I left the university, I went into my apartment and there was darkness. I was not able to switch on the light, and again I was not afraid of the darkness, of this blackness. Then a man came with brown hair, a brown moustache, and a slim face, similar to how you looked during your second visit. I had the feeling that he was able to manipulate the light, so he was a scientist or a physicist too, and there was something about a story that he had written about the “little heart and the big heart,” or he wrote the preface of the story. Later I thought that I connected with one of the future focuses of you that are fragmenting later. Could that be?


ANJULI: And then he is a futurely physicist, but he is also writing stories or what?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ANJULI: Ah! This story with the little heart and the big heart... Before I had started with this dream, I had decided to dream of him because I wanted to start a counterpart action with a future focus of you. Then I thought I will dream of him and he will be aware of that, because you would help me to find a nice focus of your essence and this focus also would be aware of me. Then I translated this story as him telling me that we had started with this counterpart action.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Oh! (Laughing) And is his name Timothy? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ANJULI: Later – that was not in the dream – I connected with him again, and then, I think, I was kind of projecting myself to him. I saw his apartment and that was feeling as if it is underground. But it was not dark or like a cellar or what, it was wide and light-filled, but it was underground, kind of. Could that be?

ELIAS: I am understanding your association. In actuality, the dwelling is not underground but is set into the side of a hill. Therefore it may appear to you to be underground.

ANJULI: Oh, because there are some stairs leading from the door to something above, and that is this hill or what. So that is all true! Whenever I connect with the name Timothy, I always connect the name Tom with that. So I thought either he has a friend or a brother with this name, or he is probably also connecting with the essence of Tomkin?

ELIAS: No, this is the identification of a friend, you are correct.

ANJULI: A close friend, somehow.


ANJULI: Oh, I am getting “corrects” from you! (Elias laughs) Just a minute, it is too dark – okay. I think in one session you mentioned a future focus of you who fragmented and you also have a counterpart action with him. Is this the one? (Pause)


ANJULI: When I connected with him, is this around the time when he was starting to fragment? (Pause)

ELIAS: The fragmentation has already occurred.

ANJULI: I will continue exploring more about this connection with him.

ELIAS: Very well!

ANJULI: Interesting. I am so happy that I created that! (Elias laughs) So he is aware of me?


ANJULI: I had in the same time another dream. I did not recall everything of the dream, but there was a building like a stable, and inside that building there were energy patterns. The dream-I did something in there, in this energy or what. I later remembered that it was something very, very interesting and that I did not want to forget it, that in this dream state I must have done something very interesting. Later the dream continued, and I think I was a boy in that dream. This boy had during his life a connection with a being that is not visible and then suddenly it was visible. I connected that with how probably Dream Walkers are or something like that. She was a woman and I remember her face close to me. (2) I want to know what the energy patterns were, if I visited a nonphysical dimension, and if this woman was a Dream Walker, and if this boy was another focus of me.

ELIAS: You are correct in your identification of the boy. Yes, this is another focus of yourself. The association with the woman is another essence, but not a Dream Walker. What you have allowed yourself to view in part is the experience that this child allows himself in relation to other essences and the action of manifesting apparitions.

ANJULI: Ah, that is why I dreamt it before the last session. Now that makes sense, Elias! (Laughs)


ANJULI: And the energy patterns, what was that?

ELIAS: This is a recognition of this child’s allowance in association with the apparition. For in your terms and in your associations now, what you would identify or define to yourself is that this individual allows himself what you would term to be a particular psychic ability. In actuality, it is an allowance of himself to be engaging the inner sense of conceptualization, which allows him to physically view configurations of energy that move around and in association with the manifestation of an apparition.

ANJULI: Then I had this dream because I wanted to connect with that focus because I wanted to generate the same experience for me with you?

ELIAS: Yes. And therefore...

ANJULI: I will try to find more about this boy. Interesting! Also what I have to say is that with this woman, it was the first time... Was this you, your essence?


ANJULI: But anyway, it was the first time that I had the feeling that I could imagine how it would feel if I would translate you into female, because usually you always are male for me. I thought it is interesting, because in my dreams I was translating you into a blue light, into a black structure, all kind of imageries just for to not get fixed into this favorite form or translation I have for you, so that I would not get fixed to you as a form.

ELIAS: Correct, I am understanding.

ANJULI: So even when that boy connected with another woman, it was the first time that I was able to not too much identify you into a male form.

ELIAS: Correct, and this imagery that you generate allows you a preparation in familiarity of energy expressions and also allows you a flexibility in acceptance, as you have stated, that you may be allowing yourself to be experiencing interaction with an apparition but not necessarily in a defined, specific form.

ANJULI: Yes, so I am preparing myself for when you appear in my dreams in these various forms and I always recognize you as you.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: So it did not matter how you appeared.

ELIAS: Correct, for what you are allowing yourself familiarity with is the energy expression.

ANJULI: Yes, that’s true! Then I think this boy is probably a future focus of me?

ELIAS: Actually, no.

ANJULI: No, because the surrounding felt pastly. Ha! Then I probably have interesting focuses to discover still in the past! (Elias laughs)

Okay! Then in the session with the empty tape, we talked about the dream with the sinking ship, with the focus of me that was teleporting herself into a rescue boat. I was wondering if that was a future focus?

ELIAS: No, this also...

ANJULI: Also because she was arriving at the Scandinavian shore and this shore really looked like past.


ANJULI: Ah! Ha, I did interesting things in the past!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! I may express to you, my friend, that all of your focuses are interesting.

ANJULI: (Laughing) Yes! (Elias laughs) Did you say something? Oh, you were laughing?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: (Laughing) Okay! Then my Russian soldier of World War II, I think he has meanwhile viewed choices and did not choose to disengage anymore. Probably his disengagement is now one of his other probabilities. I think probably he now did not disengage and maybe he was shot in his knee, not in his head. (3)

ELIAS: No. You have allowed yourself to view an interesting experience. You may now allow yourself the recognition of your rationalization in attempting to translate your impressions, for they appear to you to be contradictory. Your initial impression is that the individual has disengaged, which I confirmed. You also offer yourself what you term to be further impressions which appear contradictory, for you view the individual to not be disengaged.

Now; allow yourself to notice the automatic absolute of translations and how you generate these absolute associations especially within moments that you offer yourself what appears to be conflicting information. In actuality, you are correct in both impressions, for what was generated by this individual is what you now term to be a near-death experience. The individual appears to be disengaged for a temporary time framework but has chosen not to complete that action.

ANJULI: Oh, then maybe when I dreamt of... Oh, I had this impression already. Then he had a near-death experience that was important for him?


ANJULI: Did he then for a while have no memory about his past life?

ELIAS: Yes, temporarily.

ANJULI: So this focus is after all not in the past, but everything is in the now. Did this focus then view... Yes! He did another choice! He did choose not to disengage?


ANJULI: Before I had seen him as being disengaged, but now I have seen that he did sort of both. He had viewed another choice.


ANJULI: Okay, I understand that. Ha! And is his name Ivan?

ELIAS: Evan, not Ivan.

ANJULI: Ah! And Petrovic or something like that?


ANJULI: Then about my present focus, Joe Newton: Is he in Georgia?


ANJULI: Then another impression was Arkansas.


ANJULI: Oh! That makes sense. And is he soft and Sumari aligned?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ANJULI: Does he know people with the names Jeff, Mary, and Conchita? (Pause)

ELIAS: First two individuals, yes; third individual, no.

ANJULI: Then the third could be a counterpart to him that he is not aware of, one from Mexico City maybe?


ANJULI: Ha, I even know his counterparts! Then my Argentine focus, is his name Jose Pedro Alvarez? (Pause)


ANJULI: And is he living in Buenos Aires? (Pause)

ELIAS: No, but...

ANJULI: His interests are a lot with what is happening there, the political situation there and everything.


ANJULI: I think he is not married and he maybe has a large family, like brothers and everything?


ANJULI: Is he intermediate?

ELIAS: Common.

ANJULI: Is he Sumafi aligned? Or he could be Ilda, also.

ELIAS: Ilda.

ANJULI: Does he have a connection with another focus of me which we discovered in the Elias List? Because I am using in the mails the name “MiraclesAnda,” and there is a family among the Mohawks with the family name Miracles. I had the impression that I had a shamanic or what focus that was called Miracles Anda amongst the Mohawks.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ANJULI: Oh, Elias, I am great! (Laughs) And my Argentine focus maybe dreamt of her or something like that?


ANJULI: I once asked you if you have a future focus in Paris. Then we talked about the dream I had with you in Paris, and you said you don’t have a future focus in Paris. Anyway, so I have a future focus in Paris?


ANJULI: Is her name Chantal? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ANJULI: And her family name is Liprosin or something like that? (Pause)

ELIAS: Liberte.

ANJULI: Do I have a future focus with the name Andre Bergeron? (Pause)

ELIAS: Andrea Bergeron.

ANJULI: Written like the name of Ling Tu, of Pat B?

ELIAS: Bergeron, yes.

ANJULI: Oh! Is she related to the family of the essence of Pat, of the friend of my Leslie focus?


ANJULI: No, just the same name?


ANJULI: In the first island session I mentioned that my energy is sometimes pushing or that I am impatient. You answered what I remembered as “and thereby creating more allowance” or something like that. On the tape you said “more ease.” So was there a change, this kind of tape-play again, which we sometimes do?

ELIAS: No, you have heard both expressions.

ANJULI: I have heard both? Ah!


ANJULI: When I heard you saying that, I felt as if you were throwing a stone in a pond. My energy was like a pond, like a lake, and was flowing around the stone, as if I am energy and your answer was this stone, this energy, this impulse, and I was sort of eating it. I was wondering, because this was so strong, me feeling your subjective energy and inserting it, kind of. I was wondering if my connection with this kind of flowing-lake being is some other-dimensional focus of me that is dealing with energy like that?

ELIAS: Ah! Yes, you are correct. I may express to you that previously Lawrence also offered himself a brief viewing, so to speak, of that same dimension.

ANJULI: Oh! I will tell Michael! Is this a nonphysical dimension?

ELIAS: No, this is in actuality a physical dimension in which the focuses manifest in a form that you would translate in your dimension as being quite similar to water.

ANJULI: Interesting! I will look into that also.

The next thing that I viewed in my mind, together with an imagery like a tile, was this name Miyea, and the tile or the imagery was as if this is either an essence name of an essence that fragmented from us or a focus of an essence that fragmented from us. Can that be?

ELIAS: Ah. This is a misinterpretation, my friend. You have offered yourself this imagery to allow yourself a recognition of another expression of energy of yourself presently. Once again you have offered yourself an avenue to tap into an unfamiliar expression of your energy, and this is the manner in which you have imaged that to yourself and have merely offered yourself a misinterpretation of what you presented to yourself in that unfamiliarity.

ANJULI: Again I had thought that to be another essence, and it’s also about me.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: This word, is this just a tone for to express this energy of myself, or is this another focus name or what?

ELIAS: No, that is what you have attached to that energy in your identification of it.

ANJULI: Then, Elias, as we talked about essences that fragment from us, I have meanwhile tried to feel more into that essence that is in my book as Giovanni, which fragmented from me and you. So he is nonphysical, and when he was physically focused was he also focused here in this dimension?


ANJULI: Has he been Sumari?


ANJULI: And does he have a focus with the name Giovanni, in Italy probably?


ANJULI: Well, I tried to find his essence name on my own. That is why I did not ask in the last session. I did not really succeed, but I always have the feeling that there is probably some sound of “Ji” in it.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, and you may continue to investigate as you are allowing yourself considerable fun in this game that you are playing. Ha ha!

ANJULI: (Laughs) Yes! And you know, Elias, I thought that essences that choose to fragment from me and you and liked the combination of our energies, must be so wonderful essences!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! As are ALL essences!

ANJULI: (Laughs) That’s true!

The blue light dream that I had on the day when Vicki/Lawrence disengaged, we said in the session with the empty tape that the blue light was you, and we also talked... My question is, because the whole scenery was partially like transition but also like a connection with extraterrestrials, could it be that this was a connection with an other-dimensional extraterrestrial focus of you?

ELIAS: Not of myself, of Lawrence.

ANJULI: During this dream there was an other-dimensional focus of Lawrence who was generating this light or this alien feeling or the surroundings or what?


ANJULI: And you were there too, with the blue light?


ANJULI: A while ago, I had a dream that was not like a dream. I felt I had been visited by other-dimensional beings, and they appeared as dots of light. I talked in the dream with them, and they said they come from, they expressed the word Is-Land. And in German the word Is-Land is what is called in English Iceland, but is also written like “island” or could be translated as Is-Land. Anyway, I knew that whatever they say that this was a translation. I had the feeling that I had actually been visited in my bedroom by other-dimensional beings. Is this correct?

ELIAS: The translation of, yes.

ANJULI: And this Is-Land, they tried to tell me from where they are coming?

ELIAS: No, this is your interpretation in association with what is familiar within your dimension.

ANJULI: Later when I thought about that, I sort of connected that with the essence of Lissa, so could it be that there was also a focus of Lissa amongst the beings that visited me?

ELIAS: No. This is an association with an energy expression and the recognition of similarity which is also a translation in association with what is known or familiar within this physical dimension. (Pause)

ANJULI: We talked in the last session about me having few focuses and considering how I could change that into having many focuses. I said at that time that this would be interesting for me to do, and I was wondering what a change that would make for me and for my other focuses. At that time I thought that I prefer this alien feeling that I have due to my few focuses, but this game of trying to change the number of focuses is continuing to be interesting for me. So I wanted to know, actually what a change would I make with that? (4)

ELIAS: I may express to you that if you generate that type of action, it would be affecting of each focus for it shall alter the experiences and generate more counterpart actions.

ANJULI: I had at that time the feeling that I would probably feel more earthly, so to speak. That is why I thought of not doing that. But meanwhile, I consider that this is not the case. My other-dimensional connections could be even stronger then?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. This does not necessarily alter your association with other-dimensional focuses.

ANJULI: Yes, so at least that does not make it less?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: So I could do that change?

ELIAS: You do incorporate the ability. I may express to you that this might be quite challenging. There are no absolutes, and therefore I may say to you in genuineness, yes, it is possible to generate this type of action. I may also express to you in this present time framework it is unlikely that you shall actually generate that type of action, for the actual motivation in essence is slight.

ANJULI: So it was maybe more around this thinking that everything is possible, I could do anything and nothing is an absolute?

ELIAS: Correct, this is what you are presenting to yourself, and this is the point – not necessarily that you incorporate an intention to actualize certain expressions, but merely the offering to yourself of the reality that you do incorporate the ability to be generating any choice and that there are no absolutes. Therefore you are entertaining many different expressions of possibility, not necessarily choosing to be actualizing all of these expressions, but allowing yourself the recognition that all expressions are possible.

ANJULI: When I had my out-of-body experience about 22 years ago, we so far did not talk about that, but it came in my mind again because it was a kind of key experience. It was in a time when I was meditating, but I was not yet so much involved into the movement of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

It started with me realizing during the meditation that everything is possible. It was the feeling “I am now in an area of all possibilities and now I can do anything.” I started by looking with closed eyes to other places, seeing other towns which are far away or something like that. It was a general feeling of freedom. Later I translated that experience as being something that I later learned when we were taught by Maharishi about the Sidhis. But actually, at that time, it was an innocent experience without me having any concept around that. I was wondering how you would term this state of feeling that “everything is possible, I can create everything,” or what that is.

ELIAS: You allowed yourself that experience temporarily, in a manner of speaking, as a precursor to your movement now, to allow yourself a recognition in genuineness that what you are offering to yourself now in information is quite real.

ANJULI: I was preparing myself with that for the now?


ANJULI: It was happening on a day with a snowstorm. There was one of the first world peace assemblies Maharishi was doing, and the woman from India that now lives in Germany, Mother Meera, had a special experience of some new energy coming to the Earth. So was that a day on which lots of these things were created, lots of new energy of the shift was inserted? (Pause)

ELIAS: A wave, in similar...

ANJULI: And I participated in that? Like the storm, my energy was participating in that?

ELIAS: Yes, which, as you are aware, you have chosen several times to be participating in collective movements and imaging that to yourself in relation to storms.

ANJULI: (Laughs) Yes. I love them, I know! (Elias laughs)

Then I left my body and it was this experience they all... So again, I had no concept around that. Whatever I imaged or saw was without concepts, and I felt to be flying through this tunnel. I even felt this sort of silver string, even when it is not existing. But I had no concept of that, and I felt as if it was more an energy, like something that was maybe pulling me back, and I knew I wanted to continue with this action. When I left my body, it was because of the desire for unboundedness – I had heard my sister expressing this word. I thought my body is a boundary and I am in a prison, and I need to leave that prison. Then I left that prison and I was somewhere else, and I translated that as being somewhere like a sort of reception hall of a hotel, where beings arrive or leave. I think it was Regional Area 2.


ANJULI: Then I realized I still have a body, and it was a very happy feeling. But I still felt that “me” is something that is around this body, and this means I realized that I felt I was not yet experiencing unboundedness. So when I had this thought, I must have known what unboundedness is, otherwise I cannot feel that I did not have it.

ELIAS: Correct, although now you may allow yourself to move into a recognition that your physical form is not a restriction.

ANJULI: Yes, that’s very true! So that was Regional Area 2, and then with the desire for unboundedness, I saw some sort of a pathway of light and there was like a sun, but the sun was more a door, like a dimension door. I saw another dimension and I was able to see into that dimension, but my perception was clouded by my beliefs at that time. So this other dimension I saw, it didn’t feel physical. (Pause)

ELIAS. And your question?

ANJULI: If it was a nonphysical dimension?

ELIAS: Partially. In actuality, it is a physical dimension but not expressed in any manner that you recognize in what you associate with physical.

ANJULI: I connected with a being that was radiating lots of love to me. Was this another focus of myself?


ANJULI: I had many thoughts around if I would like to go into that dimension, but I thought when I do that then I would probably disengage, so this was a whole... Did I at that time really consider to disengage, or was this just my belief because I did not know that I could sort of travel around a bit?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, this is quite associated with your beliefs.

ANJULI: Also when I went back, I thought about why I would like to go back into that dimension of the Earth. The main desire I felt was the desire to create another relationship, and it was around the knowing that I had to go back into my body to experience what I wanted to have, this unboundedness, and that this would mean I go back into this dimension with the physical body. That’s what I wanted to create.

ELIAS: Yes, I am understanding.

ANJULI: The thought about this relationship that was so strong at that time, partially it could have been that I was a little bit viewing beliefs, but actually I think that I was maybe probably a little bit connecting with what I do now with you?

ELIAS: Partially, yes.

ANJULI: In the first island session we talked about this experience that I had written in my book about Runi and Inmi, their bodies becoming light...

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: ...and then merging, and I was thinking if... You said something about transcending the physical body, but when we create that, would that mean that we... It is not like this other experience of shifting my attention and therefore just not... It would be a change, some sort of, for the body?

ELIAS: Temporarily.

ANJULI: Yes, temporarily. But it is not like this, when I meditate or what and my attention is elsewhere and I do not remember my body, sort of?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Aha! Yes! (Pause)

During all these weeks since the last sessions I had lots of new experiences.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) As always! Ha ha!

ANJULI: Yes, very new, and I think they are all because of our counterpart action, me connecting with you in this new way?

ELIAS: Yes, for this has been your intention within this time framework.

ANJULI: It was also like sometimes feeling into how it is for you when you connect with us in the forum and when you talk with people in the session. When I was talking with my mother, I was feeling a little bit like being Elias – not like being Elias but like being your sister, like doing something that starts to be similar although in a small... I don’t know how to express ... similar to being your younger sister.

ELIAS: I am understanding, my friend, for this is your expression of what you may term to be applying this information in action and actualizing it into your reality.

ANJULI: So could I for example, when I can project anywhere, also project into your dimension?


ANJULI: And I did that already?

ELIAS: Not quite.

ANJULI: When I wanted to create us physically meeting on the island and the appearance of you, so this has a lot to do with perception, because I create through perception?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: This perception has something to do with me having the attention on self, and then this changes the perception?

ELIAS: Correct. You may manipulate this expression of perception in any manner that you choose.

ANJULI: When I was in the ashram, Maharishi said something of the concept of the Samhita of Rishi, Devata and Cchandas, the concept of the seer, the seeing and the seen, that they are one. So I am the seer, I am the process of seeing, and I am the seen, and within the seer, the process of seeing, and the seen are again three aspects or what. This whole concept in the way of how I understood it, I did not really understand it intellectually but felt it, kind of. I sort of used that for my experiences. Has this also something to do with what you call perception?

ELIAS: I may express to you, this may be more closely associated with attention. This more closely defines the expression of attention.

ANJULI: Oh, then is this something you use also? Because we said you don’t have a perception, so this concept has not so much to do with only the physical dimension?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, for it may be translated into the expression of knowing. (Pause)

ANJULI: You know my love for this Ardas tape, this specific music. In becoming more intimate with myself, I realized that I am so tremendously drawn to it because it expresses me.

ELIAS: And this allows you an expression of pleasure.

ANJULI: Yes, I use it to connect with you, to dance with you or to merge a little bit with you?

ELIAS: I am understanding.

ANJULI: So that is true?


ANJULI: I am actually quite confidant about what I feel, but can it be that also several essences can merge?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

ANJULI: And I started doing that?


ANJULI: Okay. I think I used this session more to validate what I know already.

ELIAS: Yes, I am quite understanding.

ANJULI: I still had the feeling I was needing these “corrects” or corrections from you, but I feel that this is kind of strengthening the trust into myself and into my connection with you all the time.

ELIAS: Yes, I am quite understanding and am acknowledging of you, for within your physical dimension you all at times seek validation to be reinforcing your trust of yourselves to a point. I may also express to you, eventually as you continue to offer yourselves validation and reinforce your trust of yourselves, you shall generate such a familiarity with the expression of trust within self that it shall become unnecessary to be seeking out this validation, for you shall offer it to yourself in knowing.

ANJULI: We have to stop soon, but probably a little question around when I take a nap sometimes after meditation, I have this as if I am falling back or a sudden feeling of surprise or... I don’t find the words for that. As if I have been somewhere else and then suddenly I come back, or as if I am more aware that I am sleeping but I am still sleeping. What is that?

ELIAS: An allowance of yourself to begin generating a type of awareness within the action of dreaming. In this, what you are beginning to allow yourself is a movement in awareness of incorporating an objective awareness within the dream time-framework, not subsequent to the dream time-framework.

ANJULI: That what is called lucid dreaming?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking but not quite, for I am understanding of this terminology and the definition of this term, and what you are attempting to allow yourself is what may be viewed as beyond lucid dreaming. This terminology of “lucid dreaming” is allowing yourself an objective awareness of dream imagery as it is occurring in similar manner to your waking state, therefore viewing the dream imagery as equal in reality to you as your waking imagery. What I am expressing to you is the incorporation of that action, but also incorporating an awareness that you are actually engaging dream imagery.

ANJULI: It would be that I know my body is sleeping.

ELIAS: And that you are aware that you are generating dream imagery. Therefore, you incorporate two awarenesses simultaneously.

ANJULI: Ah ja, I understand, yes. Then I want to experience that more often. I usually have this when I have short nights and when I am then meditating and I take a nap later.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Now we have talked about many things, and of course the only thing I really have in my head is creating the appearance of you. But I don’t have to tell you that!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! And you may continue practicing. Ha ha!

ANJULI: Since the last session I have already changed so much! I know that I know how to do that, because I trust myself. I have all the knowledge in me, otherwise I would not have desired for that so much!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! I am aware, my friend.

ANJULI: I have almost covered all my questions, except that I had wanted to talk about my intent. I would probably say for short it is this type of unusualness, like throughout my life I was in an unusual school, I was a daughter of not-Bavarians, I was in groups and within the groups... So I have the feeling it is about diversity – at some points lots of diversity – and group actions and differences, and within the differences creating a sort of unity and also a kind of... I don’t know how to express it in short, but it is as if I create myself to be something unusual compared to my surroundings, and I use this unusualness for the opposite, for the unity experiences.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, and I am acknowledging of you in your allowance of yourself to be recognizing and defining the expression of your intent.

ANJULI: Oh, then I covered everything! Oh, Elias, that’s great! Now I can have lots more adventures with this new trust!

ELIAS: And I incorporate no doubt that you shall. Ha ha ha!

ANJULI: (Laughs) Yes! Ah, Elias, I love you!

ELIAS: And I express tremendous affection to you also, my friend, and we shall continue to be playful.

ANJULI: Yes, we shall!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Very well, my friend, I shall be anticipating our next meeting objectively, and I shall be interactive with you continuously in...

ANJULI: Yes, thank you, Elias! It’s such a fun!

ELIAS: Very well, my friend.

ANJULI: I feel so much like being myself now!

ELIAS: Ha ha! I offer to you...

ANJULI: I am creating everything I always wanted to! I know that I prepared myself for that.

ELIAS: Quite.

ANJULI: Okay, I think I am now ready for the “au revoir,” although that’s always hard! (Laughs)

ELIAS: Ha ha! I offer to you great encouragement, my friend.

ANJULI: Yes, thank you!

ELIAS: In lovingness, au revoir.

ANJULI: Au revoir, Elias!

Elias departs at 1:45 PM.


(1) Anjuli’s note: Mary had an urgent phone talk and so her line was busy when I tried to call her for the session. After half an hour I managed to get through and then we had an interesting talk for half an hour.

(2) A brief definition of Dream Walkers, from session 109, August 04, 1996: “Initially, within the expression of this creation of this dimension of physical focus, within the desire and intent to be creating of this type of reality upon this planet and this physical focus, each essence family expressed a manifestation not completely physically focused. These you may view as your forerunners. This, be understanding, is a quite limited explanation and idea, for there was no ‘before’! These essences have manifest throughout your ages, so to speak. You view these essences as what you term to be spirits, or aliens, or leprechauns, or fairies, or angels, or many other beings that you view to be imaginary or unexplainable. We have expressed that originally, in a manner of speaking, these essences were what you would term to be ‘Dream Walkers,’ existing within what you now view to be a dream state, physically incorporated.”

Digests: find out more about the Dream Walkers.

(3) Anjuli’s note: I had come to this conclusion because I had for weeks pain in my left knee at that time. What is interesting to me now as I transcribe this session is the answer of Elias about “rationalization.” Just recently, before starting with the transcribing, I have sent a mail to the Elias List about me having created pain in my left knee in the past and then recently in a nerve at the left side in my chest and that I came to the conclusion that my male aspects need to adjust to the movements of my female aspects. That Elias has been given me this hint about the rationalization in this session was never fully understood by me until now, in this moment of transcribing the session!

(4) Anjuli’s note: I was not talking about the action of fragmenting of my essence into a new one with more focuses, but of me as the essence Miranda changing the number of focuses of attentions my essence has on this dimension.

Digests: find out more about fragmentation.

< Previous session | Go to the top | Next session >

© 2002 Mary Ennis, All Rights Reserved.