Elias Transcripts – Session 807, Tuesday, March 27, 2001

I’d like to kind of pick up where we left off last time. I had asked you about a problem I had with my elbow, and you suggested that I investigate it as to the reasons for this creation. What I came up with is that it’s the result of a frustration on my part with having to do work that I think I shouldn’t be doing or don’t want to be doing.

ELIAS: Ah!

FRANK: Is that accurate?

ELIAS: Yes! And therefore, you are noticing what you are creating in the moment as communication to yourself, and offering yourself objectively more of an understanding of the interconnectedness, or the interplay, of what you create objectively and the expressions of your communications in relation to what you are creating, and the associations that you hold in relation to certain beliefs in the moment, correct?

FRANK: Yes.

ELIAS: And has this been beneficial to you in allowing you a clearer understanding of what you are creating, and how you are creating in your reality?

FRANK: I think so, yes. There was another incident that occurred about two weeks ago where I was doing some work in my house. I’d worked all day on a Saturday and I was tired, and Sunday I had more to do. I ended up actually drilling into my thumb with a power drill, which seemed worse than it was; it didn’t really hurt that bad. And again, almost instantaneously, I said to myself the reason I had done this is really that exact same thing, that I’m frustrated with what I have to do, I don’t want to be doing it, and I don’t think I should have to be doing it. (Elias chuckles) Again, can you confirm that that was the reason for that creation as well?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. I may express to you, my friend, you do create interesting experiences in your objective imagery in relation to your physical body! Ha ha ha ha!

FRANK: (Laughing) Well, is there some reason for that? I mean, is that just my way of doing things?

ELIAS: (Laughing) In a manner of speaking, yes, for this is what you create to be gaining your attention, for you shall be paying attention in this type of objective creation more readily than you do in relation to other types of communications that you offer to yourself.

Many times you do offer yourself other expressions of communications that you override in your attempt to be rationalizing, or you merely ignore. Therefore, as you create a physical display of imagery in relation to your physical body, you do pay attention and allow yourself to be noticing and questioning what you are creating within the moment.

FRANK: So does it follow that if I start noticing these other types of communications that I’ll stop drilling holes in my finger?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha ha! (Frank laughs and Elias continues chuckling) I may express to you, there is a tremendous probability and potentiality that you shall find this unnecessary if you are allowing yourself to be paying attention to other avenues of communication and not holding your attention as keenly in the one direction of physical imagery in relation to your body consciousness. (Laughs)

FRANK: Okay. Could you maybe give me a specific concrete example of something recently, one of these other types of communication that occurred recently, that I either ignored or rationalized away? Could you give me an example to help me to recognize this going forward?

ELIAS: Very well. I may express to you that you have offered yourself communication through your physical visual sense which has offered you information which you ignored and were not noticing; this in relation to an interaction occurring in your business, as you term it to be, and an offering to yourself of communication of how to be creating an expression differently than you were creating within the moment and in this time framework. I may express to you, the action is merely to blink and discount entirely the communication, and therefore not notice objectively and subsequently hold no objective recall of any action occurring.

I may also express to you that recently you HAVE offered yourself emotional communications in relation to interaction with your daughter, in which you have once again not been noticing and attempting to override with thought process and moving your attention outwardly to her.

FRANK: Is that with Lizella or Moorah?

ELIAS: First identification.

Now; I may express to you, as you continue to hold your attention within self, and are recognizing of the time frameworks in which you turn your attention and you project your attention outwardly, you may also begin noticing that in that action, you are not paying attention to your own communications.

Let me express to you, many times you create physical affectingness in relation to your body consciousness in the moments in which you are already partially paying attention to self. Many times you create this type of expression singularly, as you are not actually interacting with another individual – but not always.

At times, you do create this type of action in which you are interactive with other individuals but you are partially holding your attention upon self, and you emphasize that type of movement of holding your attention upon self and listening to your communication as you engage an objective event, so to speak, in which you involve affectingness of your physical body, as you have recognized in many different expressions that you have engaged – not merely affecting of your finger or your elbow, your participation with the creature, the dog, (1) (laughs) and many other objective expressions that you incorporate this affectingness of your body consciousness.

In these moments, as I have stated, you are partially paying attention to self, and therefore you incorporate this particular method, so to speak, to reinforce that attention and to direct your attention more fully to self.

FRANK: Okay. I want to come back later to specifically, I believe, the visual communication; but let me ask some other things first, and then we can come back to that later. I’d like to ask you about some dreams I had recently.

ELIAS: Very well.

FRANK: First of all, two nights ago I believe it was, I had a dream, and I don’t remember too much of it, but basically I was driving through an airport with my children in the car, not the car I own now but the one I owned just before that. I wanted to stop, but I couldn’t. I kept stepping on the brake, or at least what I thought was the brake, but I kept pressing on the gas and I ended up eventually doing minor damage to the car. Finally I stopped and got out and saw I had this minor damage, but then somehow I felt like, “Well, that’s okay.”

My interpretation of this dream is that I’m sort of telling myself that I’m doing things that I know I probably shouldn’t do if I want to reach the goals I want to reach, but I’m doing them anyway. For example, I’d like to be in better physical condition but I don’t spend enough time exercising. Is that a proper interpretation of that dream?

ELIAS: Yes. I may express to you, this is also imagery that you have offered to yourself in relation to automatic responses, which you have offered yourself an awareness, to an extent, of your own automatic responses. You do hold an awareness that you create these, and you desire to be noticing more consistently in the recognition of your own automatic responses and therefore allow yourself much more of an expression of freedom in choices which may be allowing you a fuller expression of creating what you want and creating less obstacles or hindrances; but you also move in expressions that are familiar.

Now; I may express to you, my friend, the reason you have created this dream imagery is that you are offering to yourself a recognition of your movement, your motivation – or at times your lack of motivation – and a particular expression that you incorporate in your focus which has become quite familiar to you and also comfortable.

Now; I may express to you, you have offered yourself an objective interpretation of this dream imagery, and you have offered yourself a specific identification, which you have expressed to me, of an example of what you want and what you actually create.

Now; I may also express to you that you create this type of action in many different expressions within your focus, and I shall express to you quite bluntly, what you are expressing to yourself is an identification of a familiar expression in your focus which may be termed to be a laziness.

FRANK: Okay.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) For you hold the information, and you do hold an awareness of what you want, and you do hold an awareness objectively in many situations of how you may be turning your attention and allowing yourself to be efficiently creating what you want. But you also, in particular moments, choose not to be turning your attention for you choose not to express the energy, and in this, you allow yourself to move in automatic responses, and there IS, in actuality, an aspect of your objective awareness that recognizes in the moment that you are creating that expression and you choose to be moving into it anyway.

FRANK: What’s the reason for that?

ELIAS: (Chuckling) I have expressed to you, you CHOOSE at times to be expressing what you term to be a laziness.

FRANK: So there’s not something behind that, or some reason for that?

ELIAS: You view that in certain time frameworks and in certain expressions that you must be expressing more energy to be accomplishing certain actions. This is not necessarily the situation but this is your belief, and therefore you choose not to be moving in certain expressions, regardless that you hold an awareness that you do hold the ability to be creating certain alterations of your perception.

I may express to you, my friend, although movement in the expressions of this shift may be requiring practice, for they are unfamiliar to you, they are not requiring any greater expression of energy than any other expression that you have created in familiarity.

FRANK: Okay, so just to make sure I understand this right, what we’re coming down to here is that I think it takes more energy than it really does to accomplish certain goals or objectives that I have. As a result, I look at that and say, “Well, that takes too much energy so I’m not going to do it; I’m not going to do anything.”

ELIAS: Correct, and you may view that you have offered yourself an example in your interpretation of your dream imagery with the physical incorporation of exercise. You create a want in relation to your physical expression of your physical body. You hold a belief that you need be incorporating exercise to be accomplishing that want, but you also view that the incorporation of physical exercise is requiring of more energy than you hold a willingness to express. Therefore, you do not create the action.

FRANK: And this applies throughout my life?

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: Okay, I understand that. (Laughs) Interestingly, last night I went out to the health club, and lifted weights and ran and all that stuff! Now, is that somehow the result of this dream or my anticipation of our conversation today, or...?

ELIAS: Both!

FRANK: (Laughing, and Elias laughs) Okay! Well, you see, I’m changing my ways already!

ELIAS: Ah, but continuing to incorporate consistency in your choices prior to our discussions! Ha ha ha ha!

FRANK: Yes, that is true! (Elias laughs)

Okay, let me ask you about another dream. This one occurred on the same night, and it’s pretty hazy to me. Basically what I remember is that I was with a group of people in an office, some office building somewhere, and I think it was my office in sort of an old dingy building. For some reason, we went into an office across the hall, and there was a person there who either died or we killed him or something, and so we all left. But then later, I went back to try to hide the evidence out of some fear that the police would get us or whatever. Again, I don’t remember much about this dream, but it did stick with me. I don’t really have too much of a clue about what I was trying to tell myself.

ELIAS: Very well. Let us examine what you have presented to yourself, and let us examine what we have been discussing.

In this, you present to yourself a scenario in which you engage interaction with other individuals. You also hold an awareness of your participation. You create imagery that suggests that you have involved yourself in an action that is unacceptable or wrong, and subsequently you attempt to be camouflaging that action and, in your terms, disposing of the evidence; therefore, you shall not be discovered objectively in what you have created.

Now; this dream imagery also moves in relation to what we are discussing and what you are, in a manner of speaking, discovering in relation to yourself: what you create, how you create within your focus, and your assessments of your movement.

In this, you have already begun offering yourself evidence of how you choose at times to not be paying attention to your automatic responses and to not be incorporating movements into certain alterations of your perception, regardless that you hold the information and know within you that it may be efficiently expressing new avenues within your focus to be creating what you want in relation to your interactions with other individuals, your family, your business, your friends, your accomplishments in your creativity. This, in a manner of speaking, spills into many areas of your expressions – once again, the identification of the laziness.

Now; in this, you hold an awareness of what you are creating in many time frameworks. You also attempt to be camouflaging what you are creating, and expressing outwardly your awareness of reality, therefore disguising the evidence that you have presented to yourself in the hopefulness that other individuals shall not hold an awareness in relation to what YOU are aware of in your creations.

I may express to you, my friend, this is an interesting game you are incorporating recently, for you do hold an adequate awareness of your reality presently and the movement of it, and in this, you also hold an awareness at times. I may offer to you example of interaction with your partner, in which you recognize in a particular moment that you ARE holding your attention outside of yourself and creating a judgment, and you continue to express in this manner and do not turn your attention to self – but you do hold an awareness of what you are creating. Correct?

FRANK: Yes, yes!

ELIAS: (Laughing) You have been discovered, my friend! Ha ha ha! (Frank laughs) The camouflage and the disguise is uncovered in this interaction! Ha ha ha!

FRANK: Well, sometimes I do – I know that – and I say, “Boy, I shouldn’t do this, but the hell with it, I’m going to do it anyway!”

ELIAS: (Laughing) I am aware!

FRANK: Well, why do I do that?

ELIAS: For within your perception, you justify this type of action for you view it to be easier; for you do hold this perception and belief that incorporating a turning of your perception and returning your attention to self shall be requiring of more energy – which it is not, but this is your belief.

FRANK: Well, one thing I have to tell you is that I’m not sure that I still really understand what it means to turn my perception to myself. I mean, I don’t know if that makes sense to you or not, but it’s something that I’m just not totally clear on.

ELIAS: I am understanding. Now; offer to me what you may term to be a small example of an interaction either between yourself and one of your children, or yourself and your partner.

FRANK: Oh, I don’t know. Let’s say my wife and I get in an argument over wallpaper or painting the house, or something like that.

ELIAS: Very well. Now; in this interaction, you engage an exchange with another individual, your partner. You engage a discussion concerning a particular subject matter.

Now; in this exchange, your partner offers one expression of information, and hypothetically we may express that you disagree. In holding your attention upon the other individual, you shall move into an expression of judgment, and you shall attempt to be convincing your partner of YOUR choice and attempting to be creating the action of altering your partner’s perception to be the same as yours.

FRANK: Okay.

ELIAS: Now; in that action, as you recognize, you may not alter another individual’s perception. But your attention is not within you; your attention is being projected outwardly and concerning yourself with the other individual, and the reason that you are creating this type of action and thusly creating conflict is that you are not paying attention to your own communications which are being offered to you within the moment.

Now; as I have expressed previously, you offer yourselves validation in sameness or similarity. You express threat in differences. Therefore, as you engage a disagreement with another individual objectively, this creates an automatic expression of threat, for this is the manner in which you associate in physical terms concerning interactions.

Now; in paying attention to yourself, I am not expressing that you shall not be objectively incorporating an aspect of attention concerning the other individual, for you shall. You are listening, you are participating in exchange, conversation, actions, events, and therefore an aspect of your attention IS held upon the expression of energy of the other individual.

But as you hold your attention within self and NOT move into the expression of projecting your attention outwardly to the other individual – in which you are no longer paying attention to yourself – you offer yourself the opportunity to listen to your own communications and your own associations, and therefore you offer yourself an understanding objectively of what you are creating; and therefore you recognize the incorporation of your automatic responses and allow yourself to not move in the direction of expressing those automatic responses, offering yourself freedom to choose what you shall be creating, rather than denying yourself choice and moving into the automatic response and incorporating conflict.

Once again returning to your example ... now; in holding your attention upon self, you engage the interaction; your partner expresses a particular communication. You recognize that you are, within self and perhaps even objectively, verbally expressing disagreement with the choice of your partner. In that moment, in the moment of disagreement, you immediately offer yourself a communication through emotion.

Now; in holding your attention upon you, you shall allow yourself to identify and recognize your own communication to self, and in this, you shall recognize, “Very well, I am expressing a different preference. It is unnecessary for myself to be justifying my preference or justifying my expression of judgment in relation to the preference of the other individual. It is unnecessary for myself to be convincing objectively the other individual that they should alter their preference to be the same as my preference,” and recognizing that your automatic response would be to be projecting judgment to the other individual, for you have automatically instantly created an association within yourself of being threatened as you recognize that you are in disagreement and you are not creating similarly within your perceptions.

Once recognizing that threat – which the threat is the expression of discounting of yourself and doubt of yourself – and in the recognition of that expression that you are creating within yourself, you may also offer yourself choice. You may recognize that this is an automatic response within you and that you need not be responsive to it. You may recognize that you have created that association. The other individual is not expressing judgment in relation to you. YOU are expressing the judgment in relation to yourself, for your perception is different. Are you understanding thus far?

FRANK: Yes, I believe so.

ELIAS: Therefore, in allowing yourself to be holding your attention upon self, and allowing yourself to pay attention to your communications that you are offering to yourself, and recognizing your automatic responses, and offering yourself choice, your interaction shall be altered with your partner for your perception shall be altered, recognizing that you merely are expressing differences in preferences and that there is no necessity to be incorporating the same preference in that particular moment, which allows for an acceptance of yourself, it allows for an acceptance of the other individual, and your interaction is greatly altered.

FRANK: Yes, I can see that, at least from my end.

ELIAS: And in relation to the other individual also.

FRANK: Yes.

ELIAS: For as you express acceptance and are not expressing that energy of threat within yourself, you also create an allowance of free flow of energy between yourself and the other individual, and this, once again, is immediately recognized. Therefore, the other individual’s interaction with you is altered also.

FRANK: Okay, I can see that. (Pause) Well, there’s a lot there!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) You are correct! Ha ha ha ha!

FRANK: There’s many other things I want to talk to you about, so we’ll move on here.

ELIAS: Very well.

FRANK: Another creation that I have experienced for some time now, and particularly recently, is I have this tendency to constantly misplace my glasses. That happens all the time. Lately, I’ve lost a pair of glasses. I’ve lost contact lenses on two or three occasions, left them in my pants and they end up in the washing machine and are destroyed. I’m wondering about the reason for this creation. I think it may have something to do with sort of a belief that I have or a recognition that I’ve got that I’m learning to see without glasses.

ELIAS: Partially. I may express to you also, partially you are creating this type of expression to be offering yourself an example of distraction, for you do hold an association with the belief that if you are distracted and not paying attention, you shall become forgetful and you shall misplace objects; and in this, you offer to yourself, in a manner of speaking, a series of events in relation to a movement creating objective imagery which expresses to you the identification of the subject matter of distraction. For as you view yourself to be distracted, you are expressing to yourself what – that you are not paying attention!

FRANK: Hmm. Okay.

ELIAS: Ah! Shall we express together, my friend, the theme of this discussion today shall be attention! Ha ha ha!

FRANK: Okay, okay. Next, earlier today you said that I had ignored a visual communication with regard to my business and how I could be creating my expression differently, and really, that’s one of the things that I wanted to talk to you about very much today. I have two businesses that I’m engaged in simultaneously; one seems to be going quite well, and the other is not going quite as well. With respect to the latter one, I’m wondering why I am not succeeding. What can I do differently or to improve what I’m doing there?

Particularly, I would like to ask you about something you said to me back in June, when you talked about how I was influenced by authority figures in my past or in current situations, how dictates or decisions they made had limited my creativity, and that it was very much affecting of my ability to be successful. So, I know that’s a lot I just threw at you, but I’m sure you can sort it out! (Laughs)

ELIAS: Very well. Now, express to myself the nature of your concern in relation to this second business.

FRANK: Well, I’m not making much progress with it, and progress is pretty easy to measure. I’m in sales, and I’m just not making many sales with respect to this business.

ELIAS: Now express to myself your impression in association with what I have expressed to you previously in relation to authority.

FRANK: Well, I have thought about that some, as you probably know, and I don’t know! The only thing I can think of is that maybe I am not being as aggressive as I should be in terms of activities, I guess, but also in the nature of how I do the activity.

ELIAS: Now; allow yourself to turn your attention to the first business, and in this, offer to yourself an identification of what you allow yourself to be creating in that business that you are not allowing yourself in the second business.

FRANK: I think it is a perception on my part that there is a very wide acceptance for what it is that I am doing, in other words, the service that I’m offering with respect to the first business, that there’s a great need for it and what I offer will fill that need, as opposed to the second one where it is my perception that – maybe “need” is the wrong word – but that there is not as much of an acceptance of it, a narrow acceptance, and also the belief that because of the nature of the way the business arrangement is set up, I am sort of prevented from dealing with many of the people who would accept it.

ELIAS: And let me also offer identification to you of choices and expressions that you deny yourself in relation to the second business that you do allow yourself to create within the first business, that being of your own creativity.

FRANK: I guess that’s a lot of the nature of my question here. How could I be ... can you give me some examples, concrete examples of how I’m not expressing that creativity?

ELIAS: I may express to you, my friend, that within the second business you do not express the allowance for your own creativity for you view the nature of the business to not be consistent with an expression of creativity.

FRANK: You’re right; yes, that is a belief that I have.

ELIAS: You view this to be quite matter-of-fact, and merely the incorporation of work but not an expression of creativity. Therefore, I may express to you, in your movement the reason that you evaluate your lack of successfulness in the second business is that you are blocking your own expression of creativity or the exploration of how you individually may be incorporating your own expression of creativity in this particular type of business.

FRANK: Okay, I accept that, and I agree with that. Can you help me in this direction, help me to see some areas that I can’t see, because obviously I can’t see it right now?

ELIAS: Creativity, my friend, is not always expressed in the creation of things, so to speak. Creativity is not always expressed in the creation of services, in your terms.

Now; in this, you may be allowing yourself to explore how you may be incorporating expressions of your own creativity in relation to interaction, incorporating more of an expression of fun and colorfulness in your interactions with other individuals; and in allowing yourself to explore how you may be expressing your own creativity in relation to interactions rather than the production of a thing or a service, so to speak, you may also offer to yourself a new expression of freedom, and in that, you may be turning your experience in this scenario and allowing yourself to be creating what you want in successfulness.

FRANK: Does this come back to the authority figure issue that we talked about before, my unwillingness or inability to express myself in interactions with others in a more colorful way, let’s say?

ELIAS: In part, yes, you are correct; which you present this particular situation objectively to yourself to be challenging yourself in allowing yourself to be expressing your own creativity and addressing to this association with authority, allowing yourself the opportunity to recognize that this is a belief that influences your perception and therefore hinders some of your movement and your allowance of your own expressions.

FRANK: So it really comes down to ... it’s not necessarily trying to deal with different people, which I thought I needed to find different people to speak with; it’s just kind of how I interact with them, sort of what my tone is and my feeling and that sort of thing?

ELIAS: Yes, and the projection of energy that you create. Once again, this may be greatly influenced in your allowance of yourself to be holding your attention upon you, not concentrating your attention upon the acquisition of other individuals, or different types of interactions in relation to the individuals that you are interacting with, but to be concentrating your attention upon you and what you are expressing, allowing yourself to be paying attention to your own creativity and your own exploration of your expression of creativity in other directions in the direction of interaction, for you may be expressing your creativity in this type of expression also in equal manner as to the creation of physical manifestations.

FRANK: Why is it different for me with the first business? Is it just my belief about the nature of the two businesses?

ELIAS: For the most part, yes. You allow yourself a different association with the first business. You allow yourself to view your own expression of creativity in the first business, and you have offered to yourself a reinforcement of your abilities.

You continue to incorporate aspects of doubt of your abilities in relation to the second business.

FRANK: Yes, when really they’re very similar in many ways.

ELIAS: Yes, but you are creating different types of displays of your own creativity.

FRANK: Okay. I shouldn’t ask you this question, though! (Laughing) It’s sort of a crystal ball question here: it’s my belief that the probabilities with respect to the first business are in the direction of success. I mean, I’m not there yet, but it seems to be moving pretty well in that direction. Do you want to answer that one?

ELIAS: I shall express to you, in this present now, yes, you are correct in your impression. And this, I may express to you, in the offering of my response, is not a response to a crystal ball question, but an acknowledgment of what you are creating.

FRANK: Okay. I understand. Two other last things here: at one point – I can’t remember exactly when you said this to me, but I think was a couple of sessions ago – you said that I responded better to either the spoken word or the sense of hearing than to other types of sensual imagery. Can you elaborate on that?

ELIAS: I may express to you that you may incorporate an exercise in allowing yourself to be noticing other avenues of communication that you offer to yourself, paying attention to other sense data that you incorporate, and also paying attention, as we have spoken previously, to the emotional communications that you offer to yourself.

You do create more of an attention in this particular sense than you offer to the other senses that you incorporate. Sound and communication are incorporated in your attention more fully and quickly than other types of communications. You also incorporate less overriding of those communications than you shall in relation to other sense data.

FRANK: Okay, so it’s just the way I am, but I would be better off to incorporate all of the data. That would be more efficient in creating what I wanted, by incorporating all the other data.

ELIAS: It merely offers you a wider awareness and an openness to be recognizing other communications that you offer to yourself, and therefore allowing you objectively to be more aware of what you are creating and how you are creating in the moment.

I am not expressing to you that the manner in which you have been associating in relation to sense data is inefficient. I am merely expressing to you that there are many other avenues of communication that may be helpful to you in allowing you to open more to your periphery and widen your awareness.

FRANK: Earlier you mentioned that I had ignored a visual clue with respect to my business, a visual communication.

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: Now that one, what does that mean? Was it like a vision I had, or something I observed objectively that I didn’t understand what it meant, or...?

ELIAS: I may express to you, within a moment you incorporated a visual expression in relation to objective imagery, and in the moment you also offered yourself an impression of an expression of creativity as, in a manner of speaking, “triggered” by the visual expression. In the moment, you ignored this situation entirely.

FRANK: Can you tell me what it was, just so I can understand it? Was it a bird descending on a bush or something? Did I have like a vision? I mean, what are you talking about?

ELIAS: In actuality, this visual which was incorporated was experienced within your business location.

FRANK: So I saw something, and for a moment I had a flash of creativity about it, and then I ignored it?

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: Is this all in a split second that all this happened?

ELIAS: Yes.

FRANK: So it went by so quickly ... okay.

ELIAS: It matters not that it is incorporated quickly. The reason I have offered this example, and have expressed this that you may be paying attention, is that you may allow yourself to be noticing and paying attention to other avenues of communication and not overriding those communications with your thought process in rationalization. You do move in an expression of overriding visual expressions with thought processes and rationale.

FRANK: Okay! Well, thank you. As always, it’s been interesting and enlightening!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) You are quite welcome, my friend, and we shall continue the journey of exploration together, shall we not?

FRANK: Yes, we shall!

ELIAS: Be remembering to be allowing yourself the noticing within the moment of your own creativity, FUN, and colorfulness in relation to your expressions in your second business.

FRANK: I’ll put my attention on that, and let you know how I do the next time we talk!

ELIAS: Very well! I shall be anticipating your report! Ha ha ha!

FRANK: (Laughing) Okay!

ELIAS: To you, my friend, in tremendous affection, au revoir.

FRANK: Good-bye.

Elias departs at 12:47 PM.

Endnotes:

(1) Refer to session 587, March 26, 2000.

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