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Wednesday, February 09, 2000

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“Perceiving Pain Differently”

“Dolphins and Whales as Essence”

“And Now It Begins, In Physical Terms”

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Bobbi (Jale).

Elias arrives at 2:22 PM. (Arrival time is 22 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

BOBBI: Good morning, Elias! (Elias chuckles) Good to speak to you again!

ELIAS: We meet again!

BOBBI: Ha ha, yes! After all, it’s been a while! (Elias chuckles) Well, I have various different questions for you today. I guess I’ll start out with some of the more personal ones about other focuses.

ELIAS: Very well.

BOBBI: Gosh, it was about a year ago when I woke up with the names Catullus and Hecate. That was it. I think I had some sort of a feeling that my friend Diane was involved in that in some way. In investigating that, I have come up with very different impressions each time, and nothing that is very clear. I think I have a focus named Catullus, but I’m not sure who Hecate is. My impressions were the clearest the first time I was investigating this focus, and the person I identified as Catullus would be in Roman times. He was sort of a shortish guy, curly black hair, very dark intense eyes, kind of a prominent Italian nose. There was an older man there who was watching that person, and that person was larger, sort of jowly, short dark hair, sort of serious. But in my investigation, that person, the older man, turned and looked directly at me almost, with a recognition. So anyway, I haven’t really got any clear-cut ideas about that particular focus. Am I going in the right direction?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

BOBBI: Okay. The older man, was that a teacher or a mentor?

ELIAS: A teacher, but also what you would term to be a relative. This individual holds the role of an uncle to yourself, but is also in the capacity of a teacher with you.

BOBBI: Okay. The name Hecate, was that a person that I was involved with then? I think that’s more of a Greek name than Roman. (Pause)

ELIAS: This is another individual that you have established a friendship with. This individual, you are correct, is not of the location of Italia, and in actuality, this individual may be viewed by your comrades as an enemy, although you have established a relationship of friendship with this individual, regardless of the identification of those individuals that you surround yourself with. Therefore, there is also an element of secretiveness in this friendship.

But this particular relationship provides you with much information, and many times offers you much clarity in sharing information with you, in allowing yourself to be viewing situations and interactions slightly differently than would you be otherwise.

BOBBI: Hmm. Would this be around the time of the Caesars, or just previous to it? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

BOBBI: Okay. This all came about when I was wondering about my attraction to that particular period of history. Okay, thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

BOBBI: I’ve made actually a lot of connections with the one focus, the artist focus ... if I could verify them with you?

ELIAS: You may.

BOBBI: I think my husband Ken was my father in that focus. (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

BOBBI: Okay, and I believe that my friend now, Diane, whose essence name is Anita, was my friend Maurice – I think this is pronouncing it correctly – Joyant in that focus? (Pause)

ELIAS: Maurice; yes, you are correct.

BOBBI: Okay, and I had a dream impression of Jeremy as being the cancan dancer, La – again, my pronunciation is probably a little wanting – La Goulue, but her name was Louise Weber. (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

BOBBI: Okay, and my daughter Melissa, I believe, in that focus was a cousin and close friend, Gabriel Tapie de Celeyran?


BOBBI: Okay, and this is something that I think is probably correct. I think I had this impression before, but misinterpreted it. I think Sue, as in Sue/Catherine, was again another cousin and close friend, Louis Pascal. (Pause)

ELIAS: Ah, Pascal! You are correct.

BOBBI: Ah! Okay! Yes. I viewed her as a tall, blond, very good-looking young man, and myself as shorter and darker. There was a little misinterpretation as to the location at the time, but that got all cleared up. Great! Thank you. (Elias chuckles)

The last time we spoke, you made reference to another focus of mine, and I believe I’ve identified him as Michael Haydn. Is that correct? (Pause)


BOBBI: Okay. Is my husband now my spouse then? Maria ... gosh, I don’t recall her full name.

ELIAS: No. This individual would be identified as an in-law.

BOBBI: Oh? Male or female?

ELIAS: Female.

BOBBI: I’ll have to look into that a bit more. Thank you. Okay, that does it for the focuses.

I have a question about my son’s girlfriend Kristin, essence name Stephonee. What is her family and alignment? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence family, Sumari; alignment in this focus, Zuli.

BOBBI: Zuli, okay. Thank you. As far as our color of our essence tone, what color would my husband Ken/Sheena be?

ELIAS: This may be translated into the identifiable color of umber.

BOBBI: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

BOBBI: When you have physical symptoms, when a person has physical symptoms, generally ... well, let me start off in a different direction. I’ve been having a lot of tension in my lower back for about two months. This has gone into actually creating pain going down my leg, and sharp pain in my foot oftentimes.

I’ve been trying to connect to what I’m creating there, what I’m trying to draw my attention to, and at one point, at the end of December, I really thought I’d connected to it because it was gone. It was just gone. It’s returned now, and aside from noticing that I’m just holding energy in that area, which I don’t normally do – I’m not a backache kind of person – I’m having difficulty connecting with the reason or the underlying issue in what I’m creating there.

ELIAS: Let me express to you that within this time framework, many, many individuals are moving in similar directions, in conjunction with your beliefs and with the movement of energy of this shift in consciousness, and in this movement, you are creating many different types of expressions that shall gain your attention efficiently.

Now; many, many individuals, yourself also, are choosing to be incorporating actions that create certain manifestations within your physical focus that are precisely what you have expressed – not a creation that you generally or what you may term to be normally may be expressing – and you create this precisely for the reason that it shall be quite obviously noticed.

Now; the underlying movement of energy that is generating this type of manifestation, in a manner of speaking, is that which shall draw your attention to self. This may appear initially to be quite simplistic in response, but what you are in actuality accomplishing in this type of manifestation is to be expressing to yourself a physical element within your reality that you shall be noticing, that you shall allow yourself to pay attention, and that you shall allow yourself to turn your attention to self singularly in a different type of expression or manner than you have moved into previously.

The action of this shift in consciousness – now that you enter this time framework – is inserting itself into your officially accepted reality in objective terms, and in this action, you each individually are addressing to the action of redefining your reality.

Therefore, it is, in a manner of speaking, essential that you turn your attention to yourselves. Physical manifestations provide an obvious and very easy method to move your attention to self. As you create pain, you shall automatically focus upon self, and you shall hold your attention upon self even if you are merely holding your attention upon that element of self which is experiencing pain.

In this, what you are allowing yourself to address to is the element of perception. You create an element of painfulness, for this is not merely an obvious expression of perception, but it is also an accepted expression of perception in similar manner, throughout your mass belief systems.

For the most part, you all view pain in a similar manner. Be it physical pain, emotional pain, [or] mental pain, you identify the word or the term “pain” as an element of discomfort and as negative, and as you begin to address within your thoughts to the creation of pain, you recognize the negative aspect and you attempt to be discovering the issue or the belief that is, in your assessment, causing this pain.

This is the element that is different within this time framework to what you have created previously, for previously you may have created an element of pain to be allowing yourself to turn your attention, to be viewing aspects of your beliefs, or to be addressing to issues that you hold or elements of blocked energy. Now you are creating this type of manifestation to allow yourself the opportunity to view differences of perception, and how perception is creating of your reality.

In this, all of you that are choosing to be creating any expression of painfulness to be offering yourselves this example of perception may allow yourselves to view that the creation itself – the element of physical affectingness, the physical manifestation – matters not.

Your perception of your creation holds tremendous importance, for your perception of the creation is that which shall be your reality, and this is key: the movement from the viewing of your reality as an outside element or as a creation which is outside of you – even as it may be inside of you (chuckling) – the movement of this perception into the perception of viewing that perception itself is what is creating of your reality.

BOBBI: Okay. Alright, yes, I can really see that explanation in conjunction with how this has been working. As I get these symptoms and take a moment to try to do something about them, the method I was most successful at was noticing the sensation that I had identified as the ache or the pain, and just sort of examining it as a feeling, and it sort of became devoid of the annoyingness or something. When I was able to do that, I noticed that it would automatically start to fade. It was as effective as if I had taken an aspirin or something. My perception of it had changed. Instead of defining it as pain, I was looking at it as a sensation, and examining it in that way.

ELIAS: You may offer yourself the opportunity to view that there are many different expressions that you may focus your attention within, and in this, your perception may be creating of many different types of sensations with the SAME manifestation.

BOBBI: In all areas.

ELIAS: Correct.

BOBBI: Thank you. That explains that experience. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

BOBBI: I have actually several questions here about dolphins and whales. You had said a while ago that they had made a decision to become essence.

ELIAS: Correct.

BOBBI: This raises a lot of questions in my mind then. If they are essence now, does that mean that we, as essence, can have a focus as a dolphin or a whale? (Pause)

ELIAS: If you are so choosing.

BOBBI: Okay. They are on this planet ... but are they part of this dimension? Is their experience as essence, in that capacity of being a whale, would that be considered part of this dimension?


BOBBI: So their experiences are based on emotion and sexual orientation also?


BOBBI: Oh, really! I also have questions about when that change occurred, from a group of consciousness to essence. Were new essences formed in that action, or were essences waiting there for that decision and they sort of stepped in, or how did that occur?

ELIAS: New essences have been formed; yes, you are correct.

BOBBI: Oh, really! So that would be a way that essence is created?

ELIAS: Within the action of fragmentation and the development, in a manner of speaking ... this is, of course, figuratively speaking, in relation to nonphysical aspects of consciousness and their translation into an explanation presently.

(Slowly) As essences merge, the element that may be fragmented is an element which desires to be fragmented, holding specific qualities of those essences which it is fragmented of.

Now; be remembering that each new essence, in a manner of speaking, holds all of the qualities of the fragmenting essence, but also creates a type of emphasis upon certain qualities that it chooses to be exploring.

(Slowly) And as essence is consciousness and consciousness is essence, those qualities of essence which are consciousness – which create the manifestations in your physical dimension of these particular creatures – have chosen to be fragmented into their own expression of essence.

Be remembering also, I have expressed to you, your creatures are a creation of you. They are consciousness; they are also a creation of you. They are not essence in themselves. They are a manifestation of you as essence; a projection of consciousness that is designated to specific functions and forms within your physical dimension. But as not essence in themselves, they also do not necessarily align with or manifest the base qualities of this particular physical reality and dimension as you as essence have designed it.

Therefore, a tree does not necessarily manifest its reality incorporating the base elements of expression of emotion and sexuality. YOU identify the tree through elements of sexuality and emotion, but the tree does not necessarily identify itself in this manner, for it is a creation of yours. But it is also an expression of consciousness, and in this, the qualities of that tree in consciousness are held by you as essence.

Now; in the choice of certain expressed qualities of essence, those being the qualities of consciousness that move together and create the physical manifestations of those creatures which you identify as dolphins and whales ... have expressed the desire to be creating new essences, holding those qualities of essence as their particular direction of attention, in a manner of speaking.

And in this, through the mergence of essences, there is an action of fragmentation which occurs, which has thusly created new expressions of essence which are already manifest within your physical dimension as these expressions of dolphins and whales.

BOBBI: I understand. I see what you’re saying. Do I have a focus as a dolphin or a whale? (Pause)

ELIAS: Within this present now, no. But I shall express to you also that within the qualities expressed, in another manner of speaking, yes. For you within your essence do not focus a manifestation of your essence as a dolphin or a whale, but through fragmentation, an aspect of your essence – which combines, in a manner of speaking, with other essences to be creating of a new essence – does focus as both.

BOBBI: Thanks. That’s interesting! I have a question now about a dream I had just recently, sort of just a bit of it, but in a way, I found it a little disturbing.

I was going to a new house, and we drove up to where it was, and right next door was a large, wood-paneled hotel. It had pine trees and was in the woods, but it was all deserted. That really bothered me, that we would be moving into this house next to a big deserted hotel. I really didn’t want to live next to that. I’m aware that there were other portions of the dream that I just don’t remember, but what bothered me on waking up was that I recognized what that hotel was. It was from another dream that I had a while ago, and that was, I went to the exact same building, and many focuses of my essence were in that building, and someone told me that I was going to be coming there too.

Anyway, I’m unsure of what that represented in this particular dream, the fact that this same place was empty now, and that I was fearful of living next to it.

ELIAS: What you have offered to yourself in this particular dream imagery, and also in conjunction with the previous dream imagery, is an identification of what you have previously viewed as the larger element of you symbolically, which houses or holds all of your focuses.

Within the previous dream imagery, your reluctance to be joining with that larger element was an expression of holding to your individual identity within this focus, allowing you to be recognizing that this individual focus holds its individual identity and is in itself all of essence, and in this, you need not move into directions that it shall be threatening of your individual identity within this focus.

Now; as you have moved into the subsequent dream imagery, you view this structure, which previously housed the focuses outside of you, as being empty. This holds significance, for the reason that you feel this aversion, so to speak, for this structure, and wish not to be incorporating residence next to or in conjunction with it, is that you have allowed yourself to be recognizing that this association is empty; that all of essence and all of these focuses that you hold of essence are you, and are not separated or outside of you.

You ARE essence, and therefore, as you are beginning to turn your attention and widen your awareness into viewing and perceiving your reality differently, you are also recognizing that those elements that you associated in certain manners with pastly hold an emptiness in definition with you presently, and therefore you choose not to be associating yourself any longer with certain types of definitions.

This moves quite in conjunction with what we were discussing previously in this session, in conjunction with the redefining of your reality in this time framework, which also involves a redefinition of terminology and of symbols.

BOBBI: Okay, and that would be more in conjunction with the shift generally than with this wave in consciousness specifically?

ELIAS: Correct.

BOBBI: I see. Okay, thank you! (Laughing) That’s a reassuring interpretation. I don’t know what I thought was going on, but it wasn’t good!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

BOBBI: I’ve had a couple of experiences that were sort of spaced apart, but were quite similar and fairly vivid. Both times, I was out shopping, pretty much focused on grocery shopping or whatever, and someone came up behind me quite close and bumped me on the left shoulder. I had the impression that it was kind of a short woman, and both times I turned to say, “Oh, excuse me,” or to look, and no one was there. (Elias grins) What was going on in those situations?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! Ah, and I shall express to you, yes, another individual WAS there! (Chuckling, and Bobbi laughs) This also moves in conjunction with this action and movement of this shift presently. As I have expressed to you, in quite realistic terms, in a manner of speaking, you are inserting this shift in consciousness into your officially accepted reality, which is objective!

BOBBI: And these experiences would be what? Demonstrations of something? (Laughing)

ELIAS: Quite, in that you allow yourself momentary interactions with other elements of your reality IN PHYSICAL TERMS.

I shall express to you, Jale, it has been quite amusing to us in viewing the interpretation of many individuals of the action of inserting this shift in consciousness into your actual physical objective reality. And in this, as you may allow yourself to be connecting with the different elements – which have been expressed as what you shall be allowing yourselves to be interactive with in the action of this shift OBJECTIVELY – the perception is projected that (humorously) you may elusively and hauntingly be interacting with ghosts and spirits, in fog and mist, that you shall easily move through, but you shall be moving through it in a type of astral body which holds little solidity, and the ghosts and spirits that you shall encounter shall be wispy and speak in low tones to you, and they shall not tap you upon the shoulder within your supermarket! (Bobbi laughs) For they shall not hold solidity and you shall not be interactive with them in any manner other than spiritual expressions, which we all hold an awareness of are not solid and QUITE are not physical, for physical and spiritual are a paradox!

I have expressed many times to you all that you shall be amazed and you shall experience trauma, as you allow yourselves to awaken one morning and all of your reality may be different! And this be the reason that you ease yourselves into the actualization and the materialization, in physical terms, of this shift in consciousness into your officially accepted objective reality, but it shall be quite solid!

BOBBI: I see. So this was kind of an introductory jostling! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Quite! And you may be anticipating more of this type of interaction futurely, for this IS what you have chosen and this IS what you are manifesting in your movement into this shift in consciousness; not merely that you may, in your terms, allow yourselves to become more sensitive to energy that you may feel, but that you shall in actuality be interactive with more of your reality and consciousness IN PHYSICAL TERMS.

BOBBI: It’s just something that ... I hadn’t ever looked at it that way. So this individual/person, is this the same person both times?


BOBBI: No. Really! So there wasn’t any more purpose in this except that it was the beginning of noticing that type of thing?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

BOBBI: That’s interesting! I DO look forward to that kind of thing. It was interesting and sort of funny! (Laughing)

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And I shall express once again, and now it begins! Ha ha ha ha!

BOBBI: I have a question about focus names. You have said in the past that the entering essence chooses all. Now, would this also apply to the focus name? Or just in some cases, in some instances?

ELIAS: The entering focus is influencing of the physical naming.

In some situations, it is what you would term to be entirely the choice of the entering focus. In some situations, the entering focus may choose to be in agreement with the focuses that participate in facilitating its entering.

At times, the essence, in the manifestation of the entering focus, may be not in agreement as to the physical naming of that focus, and may be quite demanding of its own expression.

Many times, within a focus that incorporates the physical naming which is the translation of the essence tone, the focus has individually chosen that particular naming and shall be manifest as that physical name.

I shall express to you, even within certain situations in which it may appear initially that the focus may be acquiring a different name, it shall create the name that it chooses in these situations, and it may accomplish this in its own physical altering of its name itself, or it may choose to be incorporating what you identify as a different family which shall rename it.

BOBBI: Hmm. Okay.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) In like manner to your feline!


BOBBI: I see what you’re saying. I guess my question also goes in the area of if you don’t care for your focus name, which I don’t. It’s not that I don’t like the name itself independently of me. I just have felt that both my given name and my nickname have never quite fit, and I was wondering about that. Is that an expression of non-acceptance of self, or is it just ... I don’t know. I’m not sure where to put it! (Laughing)

ELIAS: I am understanding of what you are expressing, and I may express to you that in your physical terms, you are embarking upon the correct track, so to speak, in your investigation within your thought process of this subject matter.

Some individuals may be allowing, through agreement, a physical naming which they may not be entirely suited to, so to speak, within their choice of their energy expression. But through the influence of belief systems, they may be retaining that particular given name, and shall be noticing that there continues to be throughout their focus a nagging, so to speak, in a type of uncomfortableness or unsettledness in conjunction with that physical name.

This is the agreement to be not altering of the physical name – which is your choice, as you are aware – in conjunction with the mass beliefs, and in this, I may express to you that each individual that may be experiencing of this type of recognition may also choose to be responding to this or not to be responding to this.

It is not necessarily what you may term to be a negative expression that you choose not to be responding, but merely recognizing that this is an influence of mass belief systems – that you have been given, so to speak, a name physically, and that this has been the choice, within your beliefs, of your parents, and that it is not for you to be choosing of your physical name.

But I express to you, this is a mass belief system. At times, some individuals may arrest their restlessness or uncomfortableness with the subject matter of the physical name merely in the recognition that they ARE aligning with the mass belief systems in the retaining of that physical name. In other situations, some individuals shall not hold satisfaction in that action, and shall incorporate an alteration of the physical name.

BOBBI: Well, I’m aligning with the mass belief systems in that area! (Laughing) I’m holding on to it, anyway.

ELIAS: Which is quite acceptable. This is not an expression of wrong or blocking. It is merely an allowance of yourself to be recognizing that you have participated in an agreement in conjunction with mass belief systems, and that it matters not.

BOBBI: Okay, thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

BOBBI: I have a couple of other things for other people. One is a tile that Vicki would like to enter into the game.

ELIAS: Very well.

BOBBI: This is what she wrote: “I saw a tile very clearly. It’s a four-tined fork with a stem that protrudes slightly. It’s an exchange tile, and it’s connected to the Ilda family. It seemed important to enter it, but I don’t know why.” (Pause)

ELIAS: Acceptable....

BOBBI: Okay, and the second one is from Lisa. She would like to make an entry into the game: “Under movies, I’d like to enter ‘Instinct’ under Milumet.” (Pause)

ELIAS: (Chuckling) I shall express, reassess family.

BOBBI: Okay, thank you very much!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. In this reassessment of family, express to the individual that they may view the other essence family which is quite commonly confused with this family of Milumet, in certain expressions in conjunction with it. (Chuckling)

BOBBI: Okay, got it. Okay!

ELIAS: Very well! I shall express to you this day much affection, and a welcoming of our continued interaction.

BOBBI: Thank you.

ELIAS: I offer to you encouragement in energy as you also allow yourself to be moving objectively in the force of the energy of this shift as you objectify it. (Chuckling) And in this, remember playfulness!

BOBBI: Yes! Thank you. (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ha ha! To you this day in great lovingness, au revoir.

BOBBI: Thank you, Elias.

Elias departs at 3:24 PM.


(1) Bobbi’s note: This reference surprised me when I typed it, as it blew right by me during the session! Elias is referring to our renaming of a cat we got a couple of years ago. Her name was Julz, and it is now Peanut. But she is called The Baby most of the time.

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