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Monday, October 28, 2002

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“Reflections Are Different from Mirror Actions”

“Genuine Acceptance of the Expression of Victim”

“Timing of Information and Transcripts”

Participants: Mary (Michael), Jim (Trecia) and Mavis (Mouve).

Elias arrives at 1:33 PM. (Arrival time is 25 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon.

JIM and MAVIS: Good afternoon, Elias. (Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: And how shall we proceed?

JIM: Do you want to go first?

MAVIS: Okay. I wanted some validation I guess on some events, some dreams that I’ve had of possible focuses.

ELIAS: Very well.

MAVIS: I had a dream – I’m not sure of the details now – but a name came through very clear for me, and it was Anwar. I’d like validation if that’s a focus.


MAVIS: As well I had a dream where I was in an apartment with two small children that I assume were mine and I was looking out the window and watching troops move towards us. I had to hide my children. I was wondering if this was a World War II focus.


MAVIS: Was it the Nazis moving towards us? I would assume.


MAVIS: I guess I have to explore those a little bit. All-righty. That’s all I’ve had on that.

Now, I’m trying to figure out my intent. It came to me last night that probably the most common theme in my life has been as a loner, not part of a group – not wanting to be part of a group, but feeling that duplicity in feeling that I should be part of that and that I should participate more. I’m wondering, is that my intent?

ELIAS: The exploration of individuality in association with community.

MAVIS: I don’t really understand that.

ELIAS: Your intent is to be exploring your individuality and allowing yourself a comfortableness in that individuality, recognizing the significance of individuality but also not to the exclusion of community, therefore not generating a perpetuation of separation – not attempting to mold yourself in association with groups or other individuals, but to explore your individuality and where it is placed in association with the lack of separation, therefore in association with community.

MAVIS: I’ll have to think about that. Do you have any questions on that?

JIM: No.

MAVIS: Actually my daughter wanted me to ask a question. She’s been having rather morbid dreams lately, and it’s unsettling morbid dreams for her. Just the other night while we were here she had a dream that we locked her in the house or in her room, and she also had a dream where she actually saw a young girl slaughtered. It was very unsettling for her and she had trouble sleeping. I’m wondering, is she tapping into focuses or...? She wanted me to find out what was happening with her.

ELIAS: Partially and partially not. At times, yes, there is a tapping into other focuses, but at times these types of dream imagery are associated with this focus and experiences of feeling repressed or restrained within her energy, which is not necessarily generating a fear but an anxiety in association with not allowing herself to express herself fully without limitations.

MAVIS: And holding herself back basically in expressing what she needs to express...

ELIAS: Correct.

MAVIS: ...hence us locking her in the house or in the room.

ELIAS: Correct, which is quite commonly expressed outwardly in imagery in association with other individuals. For this is commonly expressed in mass beliefs in familiar associations, that the individual is not necessarily restraining themself but other individuals are creating their reality for them. Therefore other individuals are restraining their choices, and thusly the individual becomes a victim to other individuals. In actuality, they are generating this role of victim in association with themselves and denying their own choices and not allowing themselves the freedom of their own expression.

MAVIS: As we all do.

ELIAS: Correct, and this also is associated with tapping into certain other focuses which may appear to her as disturbing, for those are reflective of this similar type of expression of being a victim in association with other individuals or situations or circumstances outside of the self.

MAVIS: I had a dream. I woke up one night where I had been talking to someone on the phone and I was giving them advice, and I had this image of someone smiling at me. I’m wondering, was that you?

ELIAS: Yes. (Jim and Mavis laugh)

MAVIS: I thought as much! As well, I was having trouble with the remote last night on the TV, and I was telling Jim that we should call to the front desk for batteries and then Jim said, “Is that Elias messing with us?” And I said, “Elias, cut it out!” and I hit the button and the TV went! (Elias chuckles deeply) So was that you, Elias, as well?

ELIAS: Merely offering playfully energy!

MAVIS: We got a good chuckle over it.

ELIAS: I am not destructive! (Chuckles)

MAVIS: Not at all. It was rather amusing. (Elias chuckles) Cool. What other questions did I have?

I ran into a woman at work one day and we were having a conversation, and we were both struck with the similarities and the parallels in our lives, where we had lived, the ages of our children, how long we’d been married, different things. I’m wondering, was that a counterpart, or is she a counterpart?


MAVIS: So that’s how I recognize counterparts, then.

ELIAS: Not always. Not all counterparts exhibit similarities.

MAVIS: They can be total opposites as well...


MAVIS: ...that really bring out different emotions in me?


MAVIS: There’s also another woman that I worked with at one time that just totally brought out a lot of ire in me and irritation, and I was wondering if she was a counterpart as well.


MAVIS: So you know who I mean?

ELIAS: Yes, and there are other expressions of counterpart action also. It is not quite as black and white as you perceive it to be.

MAVIS: That’s a good starting point for me. That’s it for me for now. I’ll let Jim ask some questions.

ELIAS: Very well.

JIM: I recently had a dream. I only recall a bit of it, but I remember waking up afterwards. I was kind of floating on top of wind and at one point your name flashed in my mind, and then I had the impression that I needed to relax in order to kind of float with the wave of wind. Was that you...


JIM: me guidance there?

ELIAS: Yes. Now offer your impression as to the imagery of this dream.

JIM: The relaxation part is the aspect that I really kind of came away with, so I’m assuming that it reflects that I need to relax and maybe not fight or struggle as I create reality.

ELIAS: Correct, and allow yourself to flow rather than forcing your energy.

JIM: Yes. Thank you for that guidance in the dream.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

JIM: That’s one thing I’ve noticed, that I tend not to recall a lot of my dreams. Is there a reason for that? Is it that I tend to discount?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. It is in this situation merely a matter of attention. You focus your attention more in objective waking state and in association with the abstract expressions of imagery in objective awareness.

In this, it matters not that you offer yourself an objective recall of dream imagery, for you are reflecting your dream imagery in waking objective reality regardless, for they parallel and they are in harmony with each other. Therefore what you engage in subjective activity in dream state, you also reflect in abstract manner in waking state.

JIM: Yes, there’s a good correlation there.

I noticed in your questioning at the group session where you asked the group “what is your most common automatic response?” and one of the things I was running through my mind at that time is that it’s a good question. I really don’t pay attention, I think, to what are a lot of my responses. I tend to have a lot of that focus outside and I don’t pay attention to myself a lot, although there were a couple episodes recently that really brought up emotions in me.

One of them was when we were in Edmonton and actually Mavis was having a discussion with her brother. Her brother was kind of, I guess, putting a fair amount of attention to Mavis about cleaning up a gravesite and that there should be obligations about doing so. I felt in myself a rage, like a lot of anxiety was brewing, and it definitely caught my attention. There was a huge response there. I’m thinking maybe the motivation in that episode was around obligations. I think I’ve been wrestling with obligations a fair amount recently. So you’re basically nodding – you’re confirming that’s what it was?

ELIAS: Yes. Yes, and what have you offered yourself in information concerning this subject matter?

JIM: Well, it tells me that I guess I’m still wrestling with it. I dislike obligations because I feel I shouldn’t have any. But the fact that I still get emotional about it must mean that I still have a belief there that I’m playing with. I’m very conscious that I think others expect an obligation and it’s something that I’m creating.

ELIAS: Correct. And?

JIM: Is there anything more you could add to that? (Jim laughs and Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: And what motivates this expression of obligation that you are addressing to and wrestling with, as you express?

JIM: I’m not quite sure, other than I must believe in the societal basis of obligation.

ELIAS: Which is?

JIM: Around family, that I’m obligated to assist and help out family members even though I don’t want to. And I really don’t want to, don’t think I should, but I guess the fact that I still get emotional about it at times means I still haven’t stopped clean with that belief yet.

ELIAS: I am understanding. Be remembering, you may not necessarily choose to be engaging a different belief, but in acknowledgment of the belief that you recognize, you also offer yourself choice. You may continue to align with the belief of obligation and merely acknowledge that you do incorporate that belief and that it is expressed within yourself but you may choose the time frameworks and the circumstances, so to speak, in which you shall engage that belief.

Each belief in [itself] is neutral, and each belief may be incorporated in manipulating your energy in a particular manner in which you may express an efficient movement with it, regardless of whether you define that belief as good or bad.

In this scenario you incorporate a belief of obligation to family. In some scenarios you may choose not to be expressing that belief, acknowledging that you ARE incorporating that belief and aligning with it, but in this particular scenario you choose to be expressing differently, acknowledging the existence of the belief but choosing a different action.

In another scenario, perhaps in which your daughter is requesting an interaction in relation to yourself, your motivation to be compliant may also be influenced by your belief in obligation to family, but you may willingly choose that in association with the request of your daughter.

Acceptance of beliefs is not an absolute action. It is not an action in which you accept a belief in one moment and it is set in stone ever after. For were that to be, you would deny yourself all future choices in association with that particular belief, and each experience that you generate may be different but also may associate with many of the same beliefs.

It is your choice how to be manipulating your energy in association with these beliefs in each moment, recognizing and acknowledging them and choosing in the moment to be accepting of this belief’s existence, but also knowing that you incorporate the freedom of choice and you may align or not align with that belief in the moment. This is an action of acceptance.

JIM: Yes. So in that episode where the frustration was building in me when my brother-in-law was talking, thinking back on it I wasn’t very much focused on self. I was probably very much objectively focused on him.

ELIAS: Correct.

JIM: Had I recognized or accepted my emotions as a signal, I could have dissipated that much more effectively than letting it go on as long as it did.

ELIAS: Correct, and generate much less conflict.

JIM: One of the things I would also like you to help me with would be to understand my intent. Looking back, say more or less overall, there’s two things that stand out in my mind. They seem to be unrelated, but I’m not sure. One of the things is that I do have a relative love of creativity around playing with technology – videos, video editing, the computer, the TV. I love playing with those things. I could probably spend a lot of time with them, a lot of fulfillment there.

When I look also at the relationship side of my life, there’s a lot of activity there as well – a lot of it around the belief we were just talking about, but between my brother and myself, my mother, my father. There’s been a lot of activity there around obligations and a lot of victim mode displayed. So I’m thinking somewhere along that thread is an intent related to those things.

ELIAS: You are correct. In actuality they are not so very much unrelated, for each of these imageries are different avenues in which you allow yourself to move in your exploration of your intent. As I have stated previously, an intent is the general direction that you move within throughout your focus, but you also generate specific avenues in association with that intent.

Now; in allowing yourself to view your intent, you may recognize that throughout your focus your general direction has been an exploration of intricacies and invention, exploring the intricacies of many different types of expressions, be they in equipment or in relationships or in movements, and what inventiveness you may introduce in these intricacies of focuses that may allow the facilitation of more efficient movement of them.

JIM: That very much complements the work that I’ve been doing as well.

ELIAS: Correct.

JIM: It fits in with that. (Elias chuckles) Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

JIM: One of the other things I was wondering, my mother very much throughout her focus – and still does – very much displays the victim mode very well and very much tells me all about it whenever I talk to her. (Laughs) I was wondering, there is a mirror action that occurs that you talk about. So my experiences with my mother when she’s going through her trauma episodes, is that a mirror back to me reflecting that I still at times see myself as a victim within the environment that I’m in?

ELIAS: Partially. But this also is more of a reflection, and reflections may be differentiated from mirror actions, for mirror actions generally speaking offer a very similar type of expression, whereas individuals reflect aspects of yourself or certain movements that you wish to be exploring continuously.

Therefore as an individual reflects some action to you, it may not necessarily be that you are also generating that type of expression – although at times you do – but more so it is an opportunity to view an expression within another individual which allows you to examine that expression and how you may efficiently interact, holding your attention upon you, offering you the opportunity to explore genuine acceptance of other individuals’ expressions and choices without judgment, recognizing that they create their reality and they are choosing all of their reality and it need not be altered or fixed.

Therefore in acceptance of the expression of the other individual, how shall you express yourself? How shall you interact with the other individual, holding your attention upon self? These types of reflections offer you the opportunity to examine yourself and your choices and your movements, your automatic responses and what influences those automatic responses, and how you may efficiently be interactive and be the straight little sapling. (Jim and Elias chuckle)

JIM: Sometimes the sapling doesn’t want to be a part of it! I can see where it does provide good opportunity, yes.

ELIAS: It is not necessary for your participation in other individual’s choices of expressions. You may merely be accepting that this is their choice.

But I caution you in relation to a common snare, which is to move in another direction and to be expressing to the other individual, “Ah, this is your choice to be expressing a victim once again. I am not participating in your choice; it is your expression. You are expressing the victim once again.” What are you expressing in that action? Another judgment and a manipulation to alter the other individual’s expression. It is continuing to be an expression in attempt to alter the other individual’s choice. That is not genuine acceptance. Rather you may present yourself with another individual that may be complaining and expressing the role of a victim and that all that is within their reality is oppressive to them, and you may merely express, “I am understanding. You are oppressed.”

MAVIS: So, acknowledge.

ELIAS: Correct.

MAVIS: Just acknowledge.

ELIAS: Correct. For their reality is their reality, and it is quite real.

MAVIS: And quite traumatic.

ELIAS: Correct. If you perceive yourself to be a victim, you are. And it is quite real, regardless of the perception of other individuals. Whether other individuals perceive you as being a victim or not, if you perceive yourself as being a victim, you are.

MAVIS: It’s hard not to express that anger and the judgment.

ELIAS: For it is your expression of attempting to fix, for YOU know better.

MAVIS: And they are broken.

ELIAS: And they are wrong, and you may be creating their reality more efficiently for them, and therefore they are not creating their reality efficiently enough for themselves.

Now; I have stated many times, this discounts the other individual but it also discounts you.

Now; turn the scenario. If you are expressing a perception that you are a victim in one moment and another individual approaches you and expresses to you, “No, you are not a victim,” you recognize that they are discounting of your expression. And what do you express in energy in response? Not necessarily in verbal communication, but what is the energy that you shall respond with?

MAVIS: Resentment.

ELIAS: And anger. And shall you accept the other individual’s expression? No. Therefore, what you create is a barrier and you do not receive the other individual’s energy. You bounce that energy back to them. What has the individual created? Not merely discounting you, but you have moved their expression of energy back to them. Therefore the discounting is also to themselves, for their energy is not received. In like manner, when you discount another individual, you discount yourself.

MAVIS: So is it better then to offer encouragement that you understand where they’re coming from but that you also have confidence that they will find a solution?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. What is the necessity of finding a solution?

JIM: Yes, if it’s their choice.

ELIAS: Correct.

MAVIS: I guess I want a resolution.

ELIAS: And to fix.

JIM: So it’s just pure understanding.

ELIAS: Correct, and acknowledgment.

MAVIS: Okay, that’s helpful. It will be a challenge. (Jim and Elias laugh)

ELIAS: Quite!

JIM: One of the things I was thinking of yesterday after the group session, Mavis and I talked and we mentioned how quite often even though you’re talking to a group, it’s like you’re talking to me individually. Even the questions that other people raise, there is relevancy of some aspect that is meaningful to me.

ELIAS: Correct, which is not an accident.

JIM: Right! (Elias laughs) So then I got wondering – the things that I heard, that I heard other people say and I heard you say, was there an element of uniqueness that only I heard that could have been different from others?

ELIAS: Yes. Each individual inputs and assimilates information in their unique manner and processes that information through their unique perception. There are similarities and at times the similarities are quite strong, but there are aspects of the perceptions that are different. Each individual shall receive the information uniquely.

JIM: So that applies to the sessions that we get on a regular basis?

ELIAS: Correct.

JIM: The material I read and the words on the pages are relevant to what I need, what I create at that time...

ELIAS: Correct.

JIM: ...and other people could be reading something different.

ELIAS: Yes, and they shall filter that information through their own individual associations and experiences.

JIM: Do you yourself tailor that to individuals, or is that part of what we create as translating that energy back to me?

ELIAS: It is a cooperation. I am quite aware of the action of interacting with an individual such as yourself in this moment and responding to you individually, and simultaneously expressing an energy that is translatable to many individuals – which may be translatable to millions of individuals in millions of different scenarios. It is an action of manipulating energy and the manner in which it is projected.

But there is a cooperation that occurs, for as I project a particular expression of energy, other individuals also draw themselves to which energy they choose to be interactive with. Many individuals may be reading the same transcription within the same time framework and shall be generating or receiving the information in association with themselves and their perception, which IS a projection of my energy to them, although it is my interaction with you. But within that same time framework, other individuals may choose not yet to be interactive with that particular expression of energy and may be incorporating a different transcription.

JIM: That shows how uniquely we do create our own realities.

ELIAS: Quite. (Chuckles) And I am aware of the movement collectively of individuals in association with your time frameworks. Therefore, what you offer to yourself in actual conversation with myself may move in one direction and what you allow yourself as input through the transcriptions is associated with the collective movement within time.

Therefore, it is not an accident that your availability of transcriptions is not being produced from present conversations but from what you perceive to be past conversations. But in that past, I was aware of this present, for it WAS present. And that past is present also. Ha ha!

MAVIS: So it’s making it available when it needs to be available?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes. Which is also not an accident. (Laughs)

JIM: Do you have any more questions?

MAVIS: I guess so. I just have one other one. I was noticing or thinking about my last job that I had in dealing with seniors and the interaction with them and how it progressed from being confrontational and very much a struggle, and it progressed to more me opening up to them and becoming more aware of their needs, and therefore, I guess, becoming more aware of my own needs and actually coming to an understanding with them. I wonder if that was a reflection of my own personal struggle with coming to terms with my own needs?

ELIAS: Yes, and also aging.

MAVIS: My fear of aging? I never thought of myself having a fear of aging.

ELIAS: Struggle, not necessarily a fear but resistance to, and offering yourself an avenue in which you may dissipate the resistance and generate an acceptance of yourself.

MAVIS: I didn’t get that at all from that. (Elias chuckles) I guess that’s probably true. I’m wondering if you have any comments for Jim and I, any advice.

ELIAS: (Playfully) Advice! Cosmic advice! (Elias puts his hand to his forehead and closes his eyes)

MAVIS: (Laughs) Oh, he’s looking in his crystal ball!

ELIAS: It is inadvisable to walk within traffic. Ha ha! (All laugh)

MAVIS: Okay, closing comments!

ELIAS: (Playfully) Ah, closing comments! (Staring into the distance) Hmm...

MAVIS: He’s playing with us!

JIM: It’s that humor emotion coming through!

ELIAS: Quite! (Humorously) If a dog approaches aggressively, do not engage him. Words of wisdom, that you may not be bitten! (Laughs)

MAVIS: Okay, YOU ask this time!

ELIAS: Attempt again! (All laugh) That we may play the game!

JIM: Anything you’d like to suggest to us at this point?

ELIAS: Shall you suggest to myself? You MUST incorporate some cosmic suggestion that shall be helpful to myself!

JIM and MAVIS: To you?

ELIAS: Of course! I engage activities also. (Jim and Mavis laugh) Perhaps I may be engaging a cosmic conference and experience challenge in engaging Patel, as always. Ha ha ha! (All laugh)

Pay attention, be noticing, and move your attention to you. Incorporate the initial effort to move your attention to you, for you shall offer yourself a generous payoff. You shall also be affecting of other individuals, for that energy shall ripple outward. If you are not expressing the victim and you are not judging of the other individual as a victim, even your daughter, you also may surprise yourself at how you re-create the reality of other individuals, for you are creating them through your perception and you may generate a new reflection in which your reality presents individuals that are not expressing victimhood.

And acknowledge yourselves. Do not extend the judgment also to yourselves, but acknowledge your beliefs. They are not enemies. They are merely expressions within this physical dimension intrinsic to its design. Judgment associated with them is generated by you each individually, and your judgment of one belief may not be the same as another individual’s to the same belief. Therefore, it is not an absolute. There is no in-between reality, merely that which you create. (Chuckles) There is your advice.

JIM: Thank you.

MAVIS: Thank you very much, Elias.

JIM: This was really nice to have this in person.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, and I express my pleasure also in objective interaction with you both in physical proximity.

MAVIS: We’ll be watching for you!

ELIAS: Very well, for I SHALL return!

MAVIS: We know you will! (Elias laughs)

JIM: I think you’ve played with my technology before. (Elias laughs)

ELIAS: I am quite playful.

JIM: Well, thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friends. I offer to you my energy, my encouragement and my support. Until our next meeting, in tremendous affection to you each, au revoir.

MAVIS: Au revoir.

JIM: Thank you.

Elias departs at 2:25 PM.

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