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Saturday, November 20, 1999

<  Session 505 (Private/Phone)  >

“Individual Expectations”

“Parent/Child Agreements”

“Control is an Illusion”

Participants: Mary (Michael), and a new participant, Fran (Sandel).

Elias arrives at 1:59 PM. (Arrival time is 16 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

FRAN: Good morning! (Short pause) Elias?


FRAN: I’m very delighted to make your acquaintance!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And you have questions?

FRAN: Yes, I have a lot of questions!

ELIAS: Very well. You may proceed!

FRAN: Okay. I’m going to ask these first, and get them out of the way. These are the ones that everyone usually asks. I want to know about various people’s essence names, families, and orientations, and the first one is my son. (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Jovan; J-O-V-A-N. (zhoe-von’)

FRAN: Okay.

ELIAS: Essence family, Zuli; alignment, Gramada.

FRAN: Gramada, okay.

ELIAS: Orientation, common.

FRAN: Thank you. My husband Hal? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Lupice; L-U-P-I-C-E. (lou-peese’) Essence family, Sumari; alignment, Vold; orientation, common.

FRAN: And the final one is a friend of mine from my Seth discussion group, and his name is Steve. (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Anton; A-N-T-O-N. (an’tawn) Essence family, Tumold; alignment, Milumet; orientation, common.

FRAN: Thank you very much. There are some surprises in there! I also want to ask about my orientation. I am assuming it is common.

ELIAS: Orientation in this focus, you are correct, common.

FRAN: Good! Okay. Elias, could you give me some information on my intent in this focus? (Pause)

ELIAS: And which direction are you proceeding within in this inquiry?

FRAN: Well, I’m not really sure what direction. I’m just asking a general question about my intent. I know that I am Sumari and Sumafi. Is there another way I should be asking the question?

ELIAS: No, I am understanding.

As to the direction of the intent within this particular focus, I shall express to you that in conjunction with this shift in consciousness, your expression within your intent is to be offering yourself and other individuals exploration.

In this, what I am expressing is a definition of a type of direction and manifestation that you create within your particular focus.

This exploration is an offering to yourself of inquisitiveness, in a manner of speaking. It allows you a motivation, which is ongoing, to be investigating different ideas, different expressions, different behaviors, and different manifestations within this particular dimension.

In this, let me express to you that this offers you an opportunity to be allowing yourself an objective awareness more easily of the differences of perceptions, which also allows you more of an ease, as you widen your awareness, to be moving into a direction of acceptance in conjunction with other individuals.

It may also be helpful to you more so, in a manner of speaking, futurely, as you turn your attention to self more fully and allow yourself more of an acceptance of self; not necessarily confining yourself to what may be acceptable or not acceptable within your society, but what is acceptable in actuality within all of yourself, and that all of your choices and expressions ARE acceptable, regardless of the limitations which are placed upon you within the movement of your societal guidelines.

But as to your movement within your individual intent, which offers you your value fulfillment, you move more and more into the fullness of the expression objectively of it in this exploration.

This provides you also with an avenue of fun, for in this curiosity that you hold and this exploration that you move into quite easily, you create an element of fun in your inner comparisons. This becomes a type of game with yourself, that you allow yourself to be exploring different philosophies and offering yourself objective comparisons of them, but in a manner that is playful.

This allows you the freedom to be assessing which directions you shall move into that create a comfortableness within yourself, not necessarily aligning with any particular direction solely.

Are you understanding?

FRAN: Yes, I am. That’s very interesting. I certainly go along with what you’re saying about my curiosities! I am insatiable about some things. Would that be sort of an explanation of why I am so interested in philosophy and the way people think, and also in primitive cultures?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. This offers you a tremendous input in information, and allows you the opportunity to evaluate the differences. But in those differences, you also assess the similarities, and how these differences in philosophies create many similarities in how individuals create their reality.

FRAN: Fascinating! Last year my son and I had an opportunity to spend some time with a group of aboriginal people in a very remote area of Australia, and it was an incredible experience! I had like daily challenges to my way of thinking, about how things should be and how things are, and I think my son had the same experience. Would you like to comment on that at all?

ELIAS: This also is quite in alignment with your intent of this exploration, for as you move in the direction of creating these types of experiences, it offers you more and more objective information in the area of differences.

This allows you to be challenging yourself within your established belief systems, and offers you the opportunity to examine the lack of absoluteness in any direction.

For regardless of which direction individuals choose to be moving into as they create their reality within this physical dimension, not one direction is absolute and the “most perfect” or “best method,” so to speak, in how you may be creating your reality.

You may create your reality quite efficiently in any manner that you are choosing, and all of the expressions within your dimension are acceptable and perfect already.

Therefore, this input, so to speak, merely allows you to move more fully into the expression of your intent in this exploration, offering you many, many different angles, so to speak, to be viewing ALL of reality; not merely what you individually create or what another individual creates individually, but how you move in and out of different beliefs and how you assimilate different aspects of different philosophies and [how] you incorporate them into your own creation of your reality.

As you engage this type of action, you may also be noticing that although there appears to be many elements of different cultures that are expressed quite unfamiliarly to you, there are also some elements of different philosophies that you have already naturally incorporated within yourself.

This becomes surprising to you within moments, as you recognize that you have already incorporated some ideas that you held no awareness objectively of that are expressed within different cultures and different philosophies.

FRAN: What wonderful information! Thank you. One other question, and this is something I have been chewing on for three or four years.

About four years ago, I started noticing praying mantises everywhere, and it happened about the same time that I was doing a lot of reading about Carl Jung, and there were a lot of coincidences that happened at the same time having to do with praying mantises. I was wondering what the symbol was that I was presenting to myself.

ELIAS: This is an interesting creature ...

FRAN: Oh, absolutely!

ELIAS: ... and an interesting creation within your objective imagery that you draw to yourself, for this creature presents itself within your physical creation as at times being quite docile, and also allowing itself to be quite social.

But this same creature may also create time frameworks of isolation, and it also creates behaviors that may appear to be quite barbaric within your belief systems.

In this, this particular small creature offers you objectively an example in mirror image of yourself and the action that you engage in your creation of your reality, and mirrors many of your expressions of your beliefs, and allows you to view many of your beliefs without judgment of the creature. For within the creature, all of the exhibitions of behaviors are acceptable. Within yourself, these same exhibitions of behavior may not necessarily be so very acceptable.

FRAN: Very interesting! I would never have thought that that was what the meaning of it was. That’s wonderful! Thank you.

I have over the years had a number of interesting dreams that I now recognize as what I think of as other focuses, and I want to discuss not specifically the dreams, but the focuses that were presented to me, to find out if those in fact are focuses of mine or what.

The first thing is not necessarily a dream, but I have this tremendous draw to both Tudor and Elizabethan England, and feel a strong attachment to the court of Henry the Eighth. Do I have a focus there? (Pause)

ELIAS: In this particular country within that time framework, yes.

FRAN: Is it centered around the court?

ELIAS: No, but the individual has knowledge of this court and holds an interactive knowledge of political activity and is versed in matters of state, although does not participate in the actual interaction of it.

FRAN: I’ll have to investigate that further.

In a dream that I had once, I came face-to-face with a young man who, when I asked him who he was, said, “Well, don’t you recognize me? I’m you.” And my impression was that I was in the sixteenth century of Italy, and possibly in Padua at the university. (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

FRAN: So was this young man an artist? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct ... aspiring! (Chuckling)

FRAN: What does that mean? (Laughing)

ELIAS: Within the moment that you have engaged that particular focus, he is continuing to be aspiring to greatness, in his belief systems. (Chuckling)

FRAN: Oh, I see! (Laughing)

I also had a dream several years ago about being a young woman in I think it was about the eighteenth century in this country, possibly right around Arkansas or Tennessee, and was somehow involved in a movement with a group of people west into other parts of Tennessee or Arkansas, and my family and the people that I was surrounded with were a very rigid, religious group. Is that correct? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. Within that focus, there are many expressions of conflict, for the beliefs held are very strong, and strongly expressed objectively.

FRAN: I recently had another dream or an impression about a young woman in about eighteenth century France who was living on an estate. My impression was that my parents were both dead, and that I was living with an uncle who was using my money to keep the estate going, and I was absolutely devastated because I didn’t think I was going to have a dowry and wouldn’t be able to marry. Is that correct? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. (Pause)

Vic’s note: There was very slight static on the tape here, barely noticeable to me, but obviously interfering on Fran’s end.

FRAN: You said yes?


FRAN: Oh, okay.

Another interesting dream I had one night was regarding a young man in Asia. I had the impression that this was contemporary, that this might have been during the 60s or 70s, that he was a cleric of some sort, either a missionary or a priest, and that a child – a six or seven-year old child – had wondered into his village who had become homeless because of war in the country, and this young man, the one that I think that I am, chose to paint an incredible picture of this young boy and carry it around from village to village, looking for his family. Is this one of my focuses? (Pause)

ELIAS: This is a focus that you hold, although I shall adjust the time framework for your information, that this focus occupies a time framework of the initial time period of this century.

FRAN: I see, and is this a missionary? (Pause)


FRAN: A priest? (Pause)

ELIAS: No. This individual has studied religious beliefs, but has chosen not to be aligning himself with any particular sect.

FRAN: I see. So, there goes more of the exploration! (Elias chuckles) Right? (Laughing)

ELIAS: Which you shall engage quite easily! (Chuckling)

FRAN: Uh-huh. Another one that came to me several years ago was the impression that I was a young woman standing on a hill overlooking a seacoast town – I believe it must have been Great Britain – and I was extremely content with my life. I was very happy about the village that my husband and I had settled in. I think he was a craftsman of some kind, possibly a furniture maker, and I was making dolls, and the community had really accepted us into the community, and it was just a time when I was focused on being incredibly happy.

ELIAS: You are correct, and this particular focus occupies the location of Ireland.

FRAN: Oh, Ireland! And I had the impression it would be about the seventeenth or eighteenth century.

ELIAS: Seventeenth; sixteen hundreds.

FRAN: Great! Thank you.

The last one I want to ask you about was that recently, just as I was waking up, I heard what I thought was my own voice saying, “And then I was moved from concentration camp to concentration camp, where I was repeatedly raped.” Do I have a focus in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, although I shall express to you that this focus of essence is not one of the focuses that you may more easily be accessing. This would be a focus of essence that holds a slightly different tone in this time framework.

FRAN: Thank you; I don’t have any other ones that I’ve come up with.

I want to ask you, what’s up with my fourth toe on my left foot?

ELIAS: (Chuckling, and then a pause) What you are creating in this situation is a presentment to yourself in conjunction with this wave in consciousness addressing to the belief system of sexuality.

In this, you are creating a manifestation of manipulating energy in the presentment of physical affectingness within your physical body, which creates confusion and at times irritation, and in this, your presentment is unintrusive to you, but also offers you an opportunity to be noticing your response to it.

In this, it is a mirror action of different areas in which you hold similar response to yourself generally. Certain elements within your reality that you create present themselves to you in your perception as an irritation and a frustration, and in this create an element of confusion for you.

You mirror this in an exhibition of energy involving your physical anatomy with your foot, that you may examine within yourself, through your noticing, those areas of your expressions which you evaluate and you judge in expressions of irritation and frustration, and also confusion.

FRAN: (Laughing) Would you like to give me a hint about what maybe some of those areas are?

ELIAS: Look to certain expressions that you hold in responsiveness to yourself, in areas that you express that you may be accomplishing better.

FRAN: Oh, I see! Okay, thank you.

This is kind of a general question about the Sumari family. This came from me feeling that I have a strong connection with a lot of areas, a lot of historical times where there are broad cultural movements, and I was wondering if Sumari tend to collect in those time periods; for example, classical Greece, Age of Enlightenment, today’s shift in consciousness, the Renaissance in Europe.

ELIAS: I shall express to you, all of the families, as you are aware, manifest within all of these time periods and all of these movements.

But the Sumari and the Vold families, in the manifestations of essence within these types of time frameworks, hold more of an objective draw and allowance of influence of energy, for this moves in conjunction with your underlying intent, which is held through the expression of the essence families. For these essences that are belonging to – and partially those essences aligning with – these two particular essence families draw upon the energy which is manipulated within those types of expression, for they are in constant movement of change and insertion of new and altering ideas and philosophies, and this is quite in alignment with the intents of these families.

Therefore, there is an allowance of different focuses to be drawing upon that energy, and this manifests itself in an objective draw to specific time periods that you may be noticing of great objective movement which is expressed in specific directions to be creating of new avenues of exploration, which also moves quite in alignment with your individual intent.

Therefore, there is more of an identification of this type of energy, not merely with your essence families, but also in conjunction with your individual intent.

FRAN: Thank you. That’s very interesting.

I’ve had a little bit of ... well, I have to say first of all that for the most part, I’m pretty happy with the way things are going in my life right now. I seem to be manifesting pretty well. Things are going along pretty smoothly.

But I’m having some difficulty with my husband’s attitude toward the information that you are presenting, and I think that maybe it’s my way of talking to him about it. He becomes extremely irritated, and I don’t know what I’m supposed to do about that, if I should just relax and let him discover it on his own or what. Do you have some advice for me here?

ELIAS: Ah yes! My suggestion to you is to turn your attention to self and not to be concerning yourself with the direction of your partner, for your partner shall draw himself to information that shall speak to him and shall be the most beneficial to him.

This individual moves in a direction in which he is quite repelling of information or actions that he views within his perception to be THRUST in his direction. Therefore, your offering is lending energy to the very creation that you wish not to be engaging. You are perpetuating the very expression that you dislike.

In this, as you allow yourself to continue with your exploration and turn your attention to self and not concern yourself with the direction of other individuals, you shall be offering more of what you term to be a statement than you may hope to be in audible words.

Are you understanding?

FRAN: I am, and why did I know that that was exactly what you were going to say? (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! I am quite understanding of the excitement and enthusiasm that certain individuals hold – yourself also – in the encounter of certain information, for you hold an identification of a ringing true, and this creates an excitement within yourself.

And within YOUR intent, quite obviously – your movement into continuous exploration and curiosity of different avenues that you may be investigating – you also allow yourself a tremendous expression of enthusiasm. And in this, I shall express to you, it is quite natural for you to be moving in the direction of a want to be sharing what you are experiencing.

Now; let me also express to you that this type of expression is not singular to you yourself. All of you upon your planet experience this same movement and this same want in different degrees.

As you are what you term to be unhappy, you choose to draw to yourself individuals that you wish to share the experience of unhappiness with. As you are happy or excited, you also wish to be sharing of that experience. This is natural. This is an objective expression which mirrors your subjective knowing that there is no separation and that you are all interconnected. Therefore, as you become excited in any area of your focus, you also choose to be sharing that excitement with the individual that you have engaged in agreement as your partner.

Now; you move into areas of conflict in this type of expression as you turn your attention outward and you divert your attention away from self. As you continue to hold your attention within self, you are not projecting to another individual YOUR wants and your desires, and you also are not projecting the expectation to the other individual that they need be participating in the same direction as yourself, and therefore offering to you the validation that you shall offer to yourself. There is....

FRAN: Thank you. That’s great! Thank you. (Laughing)

You know, I know that you’re obviously aware that I have some issues with control and individual responsibility, and I thought that I was doing pretty well with that, and I was kind of letting go of a lot of things, when suddenly I am presented with a new business partner who is extremely controlling, and I am aware that she must be mirroring some of those issues back to me. Would you care to comment on that?

ELIAS: You are correct, and this once again offers you a tremendous opportunity, for yourself AND for another individual. It offers you the opportunity to view and notice the behaviors and the expressions of another individual that mirror your own behaviors and expressions.

And in this, as you notice and as you allow yourself the opportunity to view the expressions of the other individual, identifying them as a mirror action, you may be examining your behavior and your expectations of self and of other individuals.

And as you continue to allow yourself to be examining self and your individual expectations – this is a key word – you shall also allow yourself to relax your interaction with the other individual in an allowance of their expression, recognizing that no individual may be in actuality controlling of any other individual or situation.

Control is an illusion. This is an element of your beliefs. You perceive that you are controlling elements of your environment, of yourselves, of each other, of your situations, of your actions, and in actuality, this is merely an illusion of perception, for there is no necessity for control.

(Intently) What shall you be controlling that you do not already hold in reality?

FRAN: Yes, you’re telling me things that I am already well aware of, but then integrating that information into my life is another whole issue! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Quite, and this is a process. You are quite right! This IS an entirely different action – incorporating this into your actual reality and your behaviors.

But in this, as you allow yourself permission to move through your process and you allow yourself permission to be moving step-by-step – and not creating frustration within yourself, that you have not merely actualized a transformation instantaneously within yourself, for this merely reinforces duplicity – you shall also allow yourself more freedom into the expression of acceptance of self and of other individuals. But firstly, of self, for....

FRAN: Thank you very much.

Could you talk to me for a couple of minutes about the agreement I have with my son in this particular focus? (Pause, and more static)

ELIAS: And what are you inquiring of in agreements with your son?

FRAN: Oh, I was just curious. I have a very nice relationship with my son. We have a lot of interests in common, and it just seems like the relationship goes along very nicely. I was assuming that that’s probably what the agreement was with this relationship, was just one of support, of mutual support.

ELIAS: Let me express to you, this is a misconception.

This type of creation of relationship is a development moment-by-moment. It is not necessarily an establishment of an agreement that you have created as you have agreed to be manifest together. This is a direction of thought that many individuals move into in a misunderstanding of agreements.

The agreements that you create in manifesting within a relationship of parent and child are merely to be manifesting as parent and child; one as the facilitator for the entering focus into this physical dimension, and one as the entering focus.

But beyond this agreement, you hold no pre-set agreements with each other as to how you shall be creating your reality in conjunction with each other, and therefore, you are not creating of a type of destiny with each other.

As to the flow of the interaction and relationship between yourself and your son, within this particular focus you offer each other an expression of acceptance, which offers to you each an objective manifestation and example of how you may be offering this same expression to yourselves.

This has moved quite efficiently within your focus, and therefore you continue to be creating this type of movement in conjunction to each other, for it flows, so to speak, with ease.

But I may also express to you that this is a choice that is created within each moment, that this type of movement may be altered within any particular moment, and the reality of the relationship may be quite different. It is an expression that you have both chosen to be engaging as it continues to serve you in this....

FRAN: Thank you. That’s very interesting. We are getting close to the end of our time together. Is there anything that you would like to say to me in closing?

ELIAS: I express to you merely to be noticing, and also to be allowing yourself patience with yourself and with your interaction with other individuals.

Allow yourself, in moments that you begin experiencing tension or frustration, to stop and to offer yourself permission to be relaxing, and offering yourself an expression of acceptance merely to yourself, and this may be helpful to you in lessening certain encounters that you experience that create confusion within you.

FRAN: Thank you very much. I’ve really appreciated all the information. It gives me a lot to think about!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, and I anticipate our continued interaction. I shall be offering an expression of energy to you in encouragement in your movement, and I anticipate our next meeting. I offer to you great affection and express in tremendous lovingness ...

FRAN: Thank you, Elias. Same back at you!

ELIAS: ... au revoir.

FRAN: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 2:54 PM.

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