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Tuesday, October 19, 1999

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ďMore Info on OrientationsĒ

ďYou Are Not Commodities!Ē

ďObjective TriggersĒ

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Lynda (Ruther).

Elias arrives at 10:59 AM. (Arrival time is 16 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

LYNDA: Hi, Elias!

ELIAS: We meet again!

LYNDA: Iím very happy that we meet again! I was pretty sure for a while there that I was gonna be meeting with you only subjectively, and now I get to meet with you objectively. Iím so glad! Itís very nice to hear your voice again. (Elias chuckles)

The last time we spoke in June, the last thing you said to me was, ďI look forward to our next session without fear,Ē and Iím certainly not in the place I was in June, and you were right Ė this is without fear Ė but I do want a reality check. Is that okay?

Vicís note: This is the quote: ďI offer great affection and much lovingness to you this day, and I anticipate our next meeting. To you, without fear, I express quite fondly, go forth and continue.Ē

ELIAS: Very well.

LYNDA: First of all, Iím amazed at how much blue stuff has been around me lately, all around me, especially in my current living situation. I wanted to acknowledge your presence around me, and thank you for that.

ELIAS: This is an expression of encouragement, that you may be offering yourself an element of comfort.

LYNDA: Yes, I feel that. Iíve been reading about my orientation of common, and I wanted to ask you about ... how do I put this? I know that common is a combination of needing to be alone as well as being with other people, and I have been through a long period of time where I have felt I needed to be alone because I was so afraid and so emotional. I have been coming into more of a balance in playing the no-conflict game, not so much with others as much as with myself and my reaction to others, and I just wanted to find out from you how Iím doing with that, and ask you to address that subject, if you would.

ELIAS: I shall express to you that in offering information as to the orientation of common, the expression is not necessarily that you need to be creating your reality individually and that you need to be offering yourself an expression with other individuals, but that you shall experience a comfortableness in either situation; that within this orientation of common, the individual may comfortably interact with other individuals and hold a comfort in experiencing relationships with other individuals, but also may move in a different type of expression and shall experience a comfortableness in their individual expression and experiences, and may quite comfortably be creating their reality singularly and independent objectively of other individuals, and this shall not be creating of a conflict.

Now; as you have expressed, many times individuals that hold the orientation of common shall be removing themselves from objective interaction to an extent, and allowing themselves time frameworks in which they may turn their attention to self-exploration, and not necessarily be offering themselves information through experiences in conjunction with other individuals.

This would be an efficient creation in these individuals, like yourself, holding the orientation of common. This would also be differentiated from the orientation of soft, in which there is more ease and more of a comfortable expression and experience as the individuals allow themselves to be continually holding interaction with other individuals.

It is merely a situation of a difference in perception and in how you create your realities. Those individuals within the orientations of common and of intermediate allow themselves the ability to be gaining information efficiently within themselves and through other individuals, but in singular instances, so to speak.

What I am expressing is that at times, in the orientation of common and also with the intermediate orientation, individuals shall separate their time frameworks and shall allow themselves a time framework to be gaining information and creating movement in conjunction with other individuals, but they also shall allow themselves separate time frameworks in which they are gaining information or accessing information individually without the interaction of other individuals.

This is a differentiation or a distinction between these orientations and that of the orientation of soft, for the orientation of soft moves in the direction of gaining information from self and from interaction with other individuals, but they create this action simultaneously, not within the design of time frameworks and a separation of time frameworks.

Are you understanding?


ELIAS: In this, in the orientation of common, many times individuals shall allow themselves input of information and experience in conjunction with other individuals, as have you, and they shall create a time framework in which they remove themselves from that particular interaction and express to themselves that they are allowing themselves a time period of reflection, and in the perception and the design of reality that individuals holding the orientation of common design, this creates a very efficient method, so to speak, for assimilation.

The experience is offered, the interaction is acquired and allowed, and subsequently there is a time framework of individual reflection and assessment of the imagery and the experience that has been created.

Individuals holding the orientation of soft create this type of action simultaneously, and do not necessarily move into a time framework in which they shall be isolating themselves individually and reflecting and assessing the information that they gain, for they reflect and assess the information as they are participating within it.

In this, I am not expressing that either direction is better or worse. They are merely differences in methods, so to speak, in creating individual perceptions and therefore creating individual realities.

As to individuals holding the orientation of common, this creates a slowness, so to speak, in which the individual allows themselves time frameworks, that they may be viewing different elements of imagery, and once they have allowed themselves to be viewing different elements of imagery, they may reflect and assimilate that imagery in more of a slowed process, which many times creates less confusion and allows these individuals a type of clarity in which they are not overwhelming themselves with what you may term to be input objectively, and in this action, they may afford themselves less of a turbulence and less elements of confusion in their assessment of the individual situations or information that they are offering to themselves.

Now; be understanding that this is no more or less efficient than individuals holding different orientations. It is merely a different type of expression that is chosen by the individual as the most efficient manner of creating their reality for themselves within a particular focus.

In this, you have allowed yourself the thrust into experiences and have been allowing yourself the input of information, and subsequently you have allowed yourself a time framework of removal in which you may assess the experiences and the input, the information, and therefore assimilate it; which you have begun movement into step two, so to speak, in the process of movement towards acceptance, for you have allowed yourself the movement into the area of assessment and evaluation, the recognition and identification of the aspects of beliefs which you are presenting yourself with in conjunction with your experiences.

LYNDA: Thatís what Iím doing! Thatís good to know. When you say Iím in more of an acceptance of the beliefs ... is that what youíre saying?

ELIAS: Correct.

LYNDA: I think I am more accepting of that. I also think Iím now beginning to, if Iím hearing you correctly, I feel Iím moving into more of an acceptance of myself and my automatic reactions to those situations. Is that also correct?

ELIAS: Yes, you are creating movement in this direction, and you shall be noticing, as I have expressed previously, as you continue your movement in this direction, the element of conflict which is created and experienced begins to lessen, and you begin to experience more freedom in the direction that you allow yourself to view more of your choices, and this allows you more of an objective ability to relax and not to be holding to your energy so very tightly.

LYNDA: Yeah, I think thatís whatís happening. Can I ask you some questions about my present living situation?

ELIAS: You may.

LYNDA: When I first came to this house, I met a woman named Millie, and my job is to be her caretaker. Sheís 89 years old, and thatís what Iím doing, and itís not what I want to do. I donít feel Iím going to be here for very, very long, but I am very glad for the reprieve because I have a little money coming in, and me and my kitty are safe, which all along my own essence communication to me has been that thatís exactly what would happen, and it is happening, and the whole dynamic here with these people is really sort of like a safe haven to me, and itís proof to me that I am moving into the area that you have been discussing with me as far as acceptance, because they are quite an interesting group of people. But anyway, specifically, Millie ... I donít know if this is correct, Elias, but my first impression is that we were sisters, and that also ... is it possible that sheís a focus of my essence Ruther? (Pause)

ELIAS: No, this is not another focus of your essence, but you are correct that you have participated in other focuses with this individual. You also hold a future focus with this individual.

LYNDA: Thatís interesting. She reminds me a lot of my mother in her perception and her ways, and I donít know what all that means, but I want to discuss with you her situation. Iím observing her physical circumstances, and I feel like Iím giving myself ... I feel, Elias, that itís my intent or my desire to live long and prosper, and Millie is helping me. I feel like Millie is in the process of disengaging from physical focus, and Iím sort of helping her say good-bye to this particular focus, and sheís helping me say hello to my focus in a new way. Does that make sense?


LYNDA: Am I correct in that?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, objectively, yes, you are correct. You are also allowing yourself the presentment of interaction with another individual that allows you more of an ease in addressing to different issues and areas of acceptance within yourself.

Now; what I am expressing to you in this is that you have expressed a key element in this relationship that you experience presently with this individual. You express to myself that this individual objectively is reminding you of your parent. This is a key element to be noticing, for many times within physical focus, you and other individuals draw yourselves into situations that may be similar in many aspects to other situations that you hold with other individuals in which you experience great difficulty in the area of acceptance.

And in this action, you provide yourself with the opportunity to practice, for objectively you believe that it may be easier to be interacting with another individual that you do not view yourself being intimately involved with objectively, and you may view many similarities between that individual and another individual that you do hold an intimate relationship with, and you shall allow yourself much more easily to be accepting of the individual that you are not intimately involved with, and in this, you allow yourself a practice, that you may translate into those relationships in which you ARE intimately involved with the other individual.

(Intently) Now; recognize that the reason that you allow the acceptance with individuals that you do not view yourself to be intimately involved with is that you do not view yourself, in very physical terms, as being personally, individually invested in the other individualís reality, and you do not view that they are personally, individually invested in your reality.

Therefore, underlyingly there is an automatic element of protection which is projected and is held quite neatly in place, but as you move from this individual to an individual in which you DO hold intimate involvement with, the shield of protection, in your beliefs, is dropped. Therefore, there is an element of vulnerability which is exposed, in your beliefs, and you view that you hold an investment with that individual, and that that individual is invested in you.

Now; I express to you that you are not commodities! And therefore, although you express an openness of energy to individuals that you are intimately involved with objectively, you are not investing a thing into a commodity.

In this, you are not placing a piece of yourself into another individual. You are sharing experiences within a shared reality, but it is merely a belief that you hold underlyingly that you are removing a piece or a part of yourself, as though you may section yourself into pieces and place a piece of yourself, separated from yourself, into the reality of another individual, in like manner to a bank, in which it shall be held in keeping by the other individual.

This is the underlying belief that motivates the expression of fear, of apprehension, of frustration, of anger, of a lack of acceptance, in conjunction with the interaction that occurs with individuals that you allow yourself a relationship with in which you are not creating the automatic buffer.

LYNDA: I honestly do believe I get that. (Laughing) Thatís what Iím experiencing, and I think Iíve been experiencing it for a long time.

ELIAS: This is the point of the analogy with the stick and the ball and holding to your energy, in which objectively you create a thought process that you are shielding yourselves and that you are creating a buffer between yourself and another individual, and I have expressed to you that in actuality you are not, for you are concentrating upon holding to your energy so tightly that you are not paying attention to the energy which is projected to you, and therefore you are not creating a shield or a buffer, but you do create a natural buffer with ease as you do not allow yourself to be holding so tightly to your energy.

This is the example that you offer to yourself in this relationship that you are establishing with this other individual of Millie.

LYNDA: Thatís quite interesting! Sheís extremely demanding, sheís extremely manipulating, she has got her daughter and her son-in-law hopping to the tune of strong beliefs about obligation, and quite a bit about the investing thing, and the whole dichotomy is fascinating to me!

Iím pretty strong back with her, but she respects me as a result and she doesnít play so many games with me because she honestly senses ... I donít know. I will say this in my way, Elias. Iím sure you would rephrase it, but she knows I love her, and I know she loves me, and yet, when I need to break and go to bed and say goodnight, more and more she relaxes, because on the one hand, she knows I love her and she can trust me. Are you understanding what Iím saying? And yet, I also sense that she knows I wonít be here much longer, and she knows she wonít be here much longer, probably more subjectively.

And so Iím working with observing the whole dichotomy, and for me, frankly, I have money coming in and I have a roof over my head and Iím objectively thankful for a lot of things. But anyway, my observation of the whole dichotomy here is very much in line with what youíre saying. Do you know what I mean?


LYNDA: Oy, interesting, the whole thing. Okay, when I lifted the fear away ... Iím in a phase where I feel, sort of, that I donít know what to do next, and I feel that Iím not exactly ... my motivation is kind of like dulled or something, and part of me knows that all this stuff that I have written could coalesce into many different books.

Honest, Elias, Iím in a place right now where I just donít know what to do. Itís not that I donít care. Iím just not motivated, or Iím overwhelmed with the next step, and this gets into my next question, if you donít mind, with control versus action, Ďcause the last time we talked, you went into quite a bit of detail about how control is an illusion. Iím very much allowing myself Ė or I think I am anyway Ė to let go of the handrails, and Iím just sort of rolling with the flow, and I really think I am striking a balance between my intellect and my knowing, or at least beginning to, and I just want you to elaborate on that, if you donít mind.

ELIAS: In this, I shall express to you once again, probabilities have already been set into motion, and it is unnecessary for you to move yourself into the expression of worry and anxiety, and also to be moving yourself into expressions of apprehension as to the control in your situation, and that you need be planning all of the motion that you are creating step by step.

I have spoken with you previously of allowing yourself to be relaxing, and allowing yourself to be trusting yourself that you are already creating your reality and you have already set into motion probabilities that you choose to be creating. Therefore, it is unnecessary to be moving in the direction of attempting to be controlling of the situation that you are creating.

This merely creates an anxiety and a frustration, for as you move in the direction of control, you also tighten your hold upon your energy and you limit your choices, for you begin to narrow your view of your choices, and in that narrowing, you begin looking, so to speak, in one direction, and as you begin viewing in one direction, you close yourself to your periphery and you are no longer open to all of the choices that may be presenting themselves Ė or that you may be presenting to yourself Ė that lie outside of the one singular narrow view.

LYNDA: So? So what else is new?!

ELIAS: Therefore, I shall continue to express to you to be allowing yourself to relax and to trust that you are already creating perfectly. There is no element which needs be controlled, for there is no element that is out of control.

LYNDA: Thank you. I love you very much. I know I donít have to say that, but hey, Iím objective enough to love you so much, Elias. Iím so glad to begin to remember you.

ELIAS: And do not be invalidating of yourself. Your expression is your expression, and it is not right or wrong.

LYNDA: It is.

ELIAS: It merely is.

LYNDA: Oh, pickledust!

ELIAS: And it is accepted.

LYNDA: Thank you very much. There is this enormous blue building about a half a block away from me, and when I moved into the neighborhood, I looked at this blue building and I said, ďAlright already!Ē (Elias chuckles) ďCould it be any bigger?Ē (Laughing)

ELIAS: And it may be! HA HA!

LYNDA: I love you so much. Youíre really a dear friend. Iím going to speak to you again on the 29th of October, and so I wonít talk too much longer. Can I tell you just a couple more things, and then Iíll go on my merry way?

ELIAS: You may.

LYNDA: Thank you very much. Oh, Cynthia Ė Iíll get to Cynthia at the last, if we have a little time.

But I wanted to ask you about Scotland and about a song that keeps coming into my head. The song is, ďThereíll be bluebirds over the white cliffs of Dover,Ē over and over again. I know thatís not Scotland, but it reminds me of something of that part of the world. The Scotland thing is, do I have a connection with Robert Burns or his wife Bonnie Jean or his mistress Anne or something about Robert Burns and Scotland? Because Iíve always had a thing about Scotland. Is that correct? Is there something there?

ELIAS: You do hold a focus in this location, and your affinity to this individual and these type of stories is an objective reminder, so to speak, or a trigger of memory in conjunction with your focus within this location.

LYNDA: Okay. So ... okay. And also, Dover. I donít know where that is ... itís in England? ... also there as well, correct?

ELIAS: Yes, you do hold a focus in that location also.

LYNDA: Okay, and the bluebirds, my first thought was that it was a reminder of your energy.

ELIAS: Correct.

LYNDA: Oh, thatís nice. Itís so weird, Elias, to have to objectify all of this. These moment points or these triggers are so sweet and so dear to me, and itís difficult for me to objectify it because Iím nervous when I ... obviously, Iím nervous when I speak to you ... oh, anyway, you understand all that.

ELIAS: I express to you that this also is merely a practice element. It is allowing yourself to become familiarized with that of which you know, and to be allowing yourself a comfortableness in what you know, and this affords you more of a validation in the area of acceptance of self. Eventually, you shall move into an expression in which you shall not question your expressions and your impressions any longer. You shall merely be accepting of what you know.

LYNDA: Right! That would be the goal of my own personal instruction to me, yeah!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

LYNDA: (Laughing) I feel like Iíve had a ... this is crazy. Oops! Personal invalidation! Ignore that statement! Iím just gonna give you this quick list. Doris Duke, Sarah Siddons, Rossano Brazzi, Mrs. C. S. Lewis Ė these are the ones that Iíve most recently gotten since I spoke to you last, and I just wanted to know if those were focuses of mine.

ELIAS: No. This, in like manner to what we have spoken of immediately previously, are all triggers. These are triggers. You offer yourself objective triggers, in a manner of speaking, that allow you a remembering of different aspects of your focuses and your experiences, and therefore you draw yourself to different types of information that shall be allowing you objectively to be remembering of these different focuses.

Many individuals create this similar type of action objectively within physical focus. This is an expression of allowing yourself to be creating a connection between your thoughts and your emotions in conjunction with another focus. It is not the identification that any of these individuals are you, necessarily, but that you are remembering of similarities within focuses that you hold within your essence, and these different individuals spark a trigger of remembering within you.

LYNDA: So ... yes. Because I thought, each of those individuals are pieces of information that are interesting to me Ė acting, having a lot of money, and a feeling of being almost jaded, or disappointed that the goal of Ė how do I say this? For a second there, Elias, for a while, Iíve been through this identity thing: well then, who am I? Whoís Lynda? I think what Iím saying is, the memory of these people, whether theyíre focuses or not, but the feeling or the world view of these people, for me personally, I want to take their experiences and not have them be the goal, but Ė how do I say this? Okay, Iím gonna try to put this into words properly. For example, Doris Duke had a huge amount of money and was miserable most of her life. Thatís a rather extreme experience. Thereís Vold in that lady somewhere! What Iím saying is, I want to strike a balance in my own life and allow that ... the triggers of these experiences to benefit me in a more balanced way, the thing of being balanced and enjoying physical reality, because I want to enjoy being physical. I want to enjoy this life. I donít necessarily have a big goal. I donít want to be a famous writer or be ... I know you know what Iím trying to say. I want to live a balanced life and enjoy this focus. Do you know what Iím saying? And find a way to Ė and I am doing that, I think Ė love Lynda, and create a long ... or just a balanced life for her. Iím speaking in the third person! Youíre understanding what I mean.

ELIAS: Quite, and this is the point, that you offer yourself these avenues to be connecting with different aspects of yourself, that you shall identify within yourself Ė you within this focus Ė the similarities and also the differences, and therefore allow yourself more of a definition of yourself, incorporating all of the aspects of you and incorporating all of the focuses of you, that you may allow yourself to recognize that you yourself, within this focus, are not merely a piece of essence or a section of essence, but that you are ALL of essence.

And therefore, you allow yourself the identification of you as much more than you have allowed yourself to be objectively recognizing of previously.

LYNDA: Yeah, thatís it. Thatís very cool. The information that you bring is very exciting to me, and the more I get away from the strong hold of energy I had in the religious thing ... we talked about that many times throughout my meetings with you, of moving away from the religious fear and the challenges Iíve chosen, and I am very much wanting to continue to move away, and Iíve gone through quite a bit of anger over that, and I feel like Iím working through that and striking a balance. Because to me, I donít want to give energy to the armageddons, all the armageddons, you know, not necessarily the religious ones, but the causes. I really do want to strike a balance with this information, and I think thatís what Iím doing.

ELIAS: You ARE moving in this direction, in offering yourself this information and these experiences and your individual exploration.

LYNDA: Yes, and thatís what Iím doing. I will be talking to you again on the 29th, and do you want me to take a minute and ask you Cynthiaís questions, or would you rather I waited till the 29th?

ELIAS: I shall express to you that you may be expressing to Cynthia that Cynthiaís inquiries may be delivered by Cynthia!

LYNDA: (Laughing) Good! I will certainly convey that!

ELIAS: This individual holds the opportunity to be engaging myself, and I extend the invitation.

LYNDA: Well, you are quite a fellow, and I will certainly convey that. Then I will ask you one last question. Is that okay?

ELIAS: Very well.

LYNDA: Okay. Iíve connected with my friends from New Zealand, and we used to be in the church together, and theyíre a lovely couple, and I have asked them if they want to know their information with regard to their essence family, et cetera, and my feeling right this very second is to hold on that, even as I say these words! Maybe I will ask you again on the 29th, but I donít want to be intrusive with them, but Iím so excited about your information, I thought they might be interested. So I think Iím gonna hold on that, okay?

ELIAS: Very well.

LYNDA: That took care of that question! I answered my own question.

Anyway Elias, thank you. (Elias chuckles) Yeah, youíre very good! We do know all the time what weíre doing, donít we?

ELIAS: Quite! (Chuckling)

LYNDA: I love you! Okay I will talk to you in a couple of weeks, and thank you, and I look forward to more blue stuff.

ELIAS: Very well, and I shall offer to you. I express to you this day much affection, and I anticipate our continued interaction, and offer to you encouragement in your movement. To you, very lovingly, au revoir.

LYNDA: Au revoir, my friend. I love you.

Elias departs at 11:53 AM.

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