Saturday, August 08, 2009
ďThe Common Session, Part 2Ē
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Lynda (Ruther).
(Eliasí arrival time is approximately 21 seconds.)
ELIAS: Good morning!
LYNDA: Good morning. Iíd like to continue with your input on the common orientationís movement within this wave of emotion/communication, and weíll call it part two.
In our last session, the disk ran out and we continued for another ten minutes or so, and it was unrecorded. You mentioned during that time that assimilation is happening in the subjective and is beyond thinking, and we talked about trusting that. Iíd like to continue and get some more input from you on how we common types can effectively loosen the tentacles of associations and attachments. Iíd like you to sort of pick up where you left off last time, what we missed in that last ten minutes, if that would be possible. (Pause)
ELIAS: The difficulty is somewhat detaching from feelings and also not moving in the direction of analyzation and excessive thinking. Let me express to you, previously in other subjects in other situations, I have spoken of how strongly connected feelings can be with thought.
Now; in many situations, they are very intertwined. As I have expressed previously, many times when an individual moves into repeat thinking, the thought mechanism is not being offered new information to translate. Therefore, it is drawing upon old information. What it does is it rearranges old information in the attempt to be producing a new translation, for this is its function. Therefore, if it is not being offered any new information, it draws upon old information.
Now; your thought mechanism, although it is not entirely a physical action Ė contrary to what you think Ė it is very connected with your physical brain. Therefore, although the thoughts are being generated from a nonphysical aspect of yourself, they are also triggering activity in your physical brain. This is important. For your brain is a part of your physical body consciousness, and your brain incorporates the ability to tap into all areas of your physical body consciousness.
Now; your brain does not necessarily control all aspects of your body consciousness, but it does incorporate the ability to tap into any aspect of your body consciousness. This is an important factor, for memory is stored in your body consciousness. Therefore, also associations are stored in your body consciousness. In this, when you are generating repeat thinking, any thought connects to the physical brain and creates physical stimulation, and what that does is instructs the brain to access different aspects of the body consciousness, which include memory.
Now; attached to memory, besides associations, are feelings. When the thought mechanism cannot access new information to process and to translate, it automatically seeks out old information. When it does that, it attempts to rearrange the old information to be presented in the semblance of a new manner or new information, which it is not. What that does is it connects to the physical brain, the brain connects to your nervous system, your neurological system, and it seeks out memories that will match old information that the thought mechanism is accessing. When it does that, it taps into the memory, the association and the feeling. Now you incorporate the thinking, which has triggered the feeling and old associations.
In this, as we spoke previously, the difficulty is that you become somewhat stuck in generating old associations, feelings, that intensify and thoughts that are repeat thoughts. They are not new. In the combination of these expressions, what you are presented with or what you are left with is information that is not relevant, not valid and does not fit. That creates either a continued circle of thinking and feeling that becomes a trap, or it creates frustration and perhaps even anger, for it does not fit and there seems to be no manner to move around it.
LYNDA: You just described the ďhead-dreadĒ pretty well. You forgot despair and depression, but weíll just include them because thatís how I translate it. But to whatever degree it gets translated, thatís the explanation of what exactly it is. Wow.
ELIAS: Which, in that, you begin to notice yourself experiencing in manners that appear to be unfamiliar. You are feeling, but in that feeling, one aspect of the thought mechanism is grasping at any present information, which does not match the old information. Therefore, there is confusion and frustration but still no new information other than the acknowledgment of present information that does not match the old information and the feelings.
In this, there are different factors that occur. The individual expresses two main factors. One, this is not me. I do not do this. I do not understand, for this is not me. And the other, I am entirely unmotivated.
Now; the first statement is somewhat correct. The second statement is not. The ďI am not motivatedĒ is not correct. It is correct that you are not motivated in all of the old associations and actions, for they do not fit. Therefore, yes, you are unmotivated in relation to the old actions. Are you actually unmotivated? No. You are motivated, but you are motivated in directions that you are not acknowledging, that you are not paying attention to in relation to motivation.
You may be somewhat paying attention to what you are doing and noticing that you are generating different actions, which reinforces the first statement ďthis is not me.Ē You are not recognizing that there actually is motivation in that, that there is motivation in doing whatever you are doing now. But you are not doing what you were doing; therefore, the aspect of motivation is entirely discounted. You do not attach any factor of motivation to whatever you are doing. You do not equate that there is a motivation there to be doing whatever you are doing, for it is not what you were doing. Therefore, unless you are doing what you were doing, you do not equate motivation in that equation. Motivation is lost with what was.
LYNDA: So thatís a good thing, maybe, ultimately. Itís just that there are some extreme examples going on right now, as you know.
ELIAS: Yes. In that, there are many varying degrees and reasons. Some of the actions that individuals are engaging now Ė although yes, there is motivation with that, regardless that they recognize that or not Ė the individuals do not understand objectively enough yet to generate the ability to recognize that what they are motivated in now and what they are doing now is more genuinely themself, but not in a black and white manner. It is not ALL that they are.
You incorporate a statement with myself somewhat frequently of not wanting to throw out the infant with the bathwater. In the confusion of what is occurring in this transition, so to speak, individuals incorporate a tendency to move in black and white directions. If they allow themselves to pay attention to what they are doing and if they allow themselves to view some type of motivation Ė very well, I am engaging this action or this action, and I am motivated to do this but this is not productive Ė the automatic black and white is to discard the infant: ďVery well, this is the new direction. It is entirely different. I cannot engage any of my familiar expressions.Ē This is what creates the confusion, the defeat, what you term to be the depression, for there is no sight of how to incorporate what the individual is doing and be productive in what they know.
The first statement of ďthis is not meĒ is correct and incorrect. It is correct, for it is not all of the attachments.
LYNDA: So itís a blank canvas, almost, in a manner of speaking.
ELIAS: Figuratively. The ďwhat I am doing is not me,Ē ďthis is not me,Ē (shrugs) in a manner of speaking, you are correct, for what you know as you are all of the attachments, and what you are moving into being is not the attachments. It is not correct in the manner that yes, it is you. This is more of the genuine you than all of the attachments.
LYNDA: I just need one piece of clarification right here. This will get back to the strong feeling which is distracting. Is it okay if I jump in here and get clarification at this point? (Elias nods) I can see this clearly in examples of other people close to me, what youíre talking about, but Iím having a little bit of a hard time, because my examples are so different and my imagery is so different. This dread thing inside of me is not reflected outside of me. Youíre not saying that this dread is really me.
ELIAS: No. Very well, let me address to this. Be it dread, be it confusion, be it sadness, any of these FEELINGS, the feeling aspect Ė now remember, there is a difference between feelings and emotional compunctions Ė the feelings are being prompted in this action and are being generated in strength, very strong.
You are incorporating questions in relation to the common orientation; therefore let us move in that direction. As a common individual, what do you generate in relation to death?
LYNDA: Sadness Ė automatic. The loss of the energy of a friend, like Howard. Even if I donít get to see him again, just knowing... Sadness, loss.
ELIAS: The loss of not seeing again, the loss of not interacting again, the separation Ė the FEELING.
Feelings can be expressed much more strongly when you do not understand an action or process that you are engaging or when you cannot explain it to yourself. This is the reason that I incorporate the subject of death, for death is a subject that for most individuals is very difficult to explain to themselves. You do not know what occurs, in your terms, on the other side or if there is another side.
LYNDA: And even though youíre living proof that there is another side, I donít know that experientially.
ELIAS: Correct. In this situation, in detaching the attachments, the reason I continue to reinforce and express to you that you are not eliminating them Ė you are not forgetting them, you are not ridding yourself of them Ė the reason that I continue to express that is that the automatic response to what you are doing is that you are cutting off a piece of yourself. That piece of yourself, if you are cutting off, is left to wither and die. Therefore, there is the death.
The FEELINGS are intensifying more and more, for there is the fear of what are you moving into, which you cannot identify: who is the genuine you, which you are not aware of yet. What you are aware of that you did associate as you now is being viewed as the attachments to your identity that are being pulled away, and if they are being pulled away, they are being discarded. Therefore, that is you being discarded to wither and die. And what remains?
LYNDA: I donít know, but thatís my thought process exactly this week. You told me to talk to myself, a mirror image of me, and the person Iím talking to is the dread-head. But itís me and I created it; Iím responsible for it. I canít kill it. I mean, I want to kill it...
ELIAS: No, no, NO!
LYNDA: Iím just telling you honestly where my brain went!
ELIAS: I am aware, and this is the point. When I expressed to you to speak to you, that mirror image of you, remember what I expressed to you. That mirror image of you, although it is the exact identical physical image of you, is all the attachments. Yes, it knows all of what you defined as being you previously, but it is all of those expressions. You are not.
LYNDA: Whereís my frame of reference here? I donít have one yet.
ELIAS: Correct. If you are speaking to the image of you that is the conglomeration of all the attachments, where is the guilt?
LYNDA: Where is the guilt? Of killing something?
ELIAS: Where is the guilt, period.
LYNDA: It lives in the attachments.
ELIAS: Correct. Where is the fear?
LYNDA: Lives in the attachments.
LYNDA: So Iím looking at something outside of me, in a manner of speaking, that isnít me.
ELIAS: That is all of the attachments of you, that physically appears to be identical to you, but that is all of the attachments, all of those associations. (1)
LYNDA: So youíre saying that the feelings are the difficult piece to detach from. Iím going to speak simply here. Iím a feeling kind of person. I get scared; I get overwhelmed; I get freaked out; I go into dread in the middle of the night. Itís the feeling that I associate with this being so very real and because I donít have a genuine me except... So right now, this is a challenge. Youíre talking to someone whoís experienced, Iím sure with a lot of other people, the challenge of disassociating from my feelings. I push away, I guess.
ELIAS: It is a matter of discerning what are the genuine feelings that are accompanying an actual emotional communication and what are the feelings that are associated with attachments. Dread is associated with an attachment. That is not associated with an emotional communication. An emotional communication is a communication that is occurring now and that is identifying what you are doing now.
LYNDA: So the stomach, in the solar plexus, through here itís tight. Itís anxiety-feeling; itís tense. The feeling is physically in this whole area here. Thatís the emotional communication?
ELIAS: Not necessarily.
LYNDA: The body restricting itself like that?
ELIAS: An aspect of it may be. It may be merely a simple communication not with that intensity of the feeling. It may be a very simple communication that what you are doing in this moment is allowing this overwhelming feeling that is attached to that image of you, not the genuine you.
(Leans forward, close to Lynda) In this moment, pretend, visualize, I am the image of you. I physically appear precisely and exactly as you do presently. (Elias sits back, pulls his knees to his chest and wraps his arms around his legs, presumably as Lynda is doing, and Lynda bursts out laughing) I am you. I am the attachments-you.
Now; you sit in your spot; I sit in this spot facing you. I am you. I know all of your associations, I know all of your feelings, for I am them. And energy is flowing. From here (Elias reaches out and touches Lynda), there is a stream of energy that is physically connecting from here to here (touches Lynda and reaches back to himself). Both bodies are connected by this stream of energy. This body (indicates himself) can flow energy to this body (indicates Lynda), just as that body can flow energy to this body. Therefore, the feelings of dread or terror can come from this body (indicates himself) and flow through that energy stream into this body (leans forward and touches Lynda). Is that your own emotional communication? No! Your emotional communication may be in this moment ďa stream of energy is being generated and it incorporates a very strong feeling,Ē but that feeling is an attachment. There is your emotional communication.
The feeling that accompanies that emotional communication is so small and so overshadowed by the immensity of the other feeling of the attachments that you cannot distinguish. The feeling of dread, of terror, of loss, of being lost is that feeling of all of these attachments that you associate are being discarded and therefore are dying. They are not. What you are doing is merely moving in this transition to identify what are the attachments and what is genuinely me. The attachments are not disappearing but they are being recognized for what they are, therefore allowing you to generate the freedom of the recognition of you.
Now; there are other aspects that are involved in this process. One of the attachments that is exceptional strong Ė and I would express for the most part there are very few of you, very few, that do not incorporate this as such an incredibly strong attachment Ė and this particular attachment is and will be difficult to address to, to recognize genuinely, to understand genuinely and to let go of genuinely, this attachment is independence.
LYNDA: I would have said anything but that word! I thought you were going to say money, I thought you were going to say... I donít know what I thought you were going to say.
ELIAS: This attachment is intertwined with any and every subject that you can possibly imagine.
LYNDA: Because itís about control, itís about individuality.
ELIAS: And it matters not. It can attach to money, to lack of money, to any subject Ė it matters not. I will express to you, as I did with our friends yesterday, what is the strongest expression that intertwines itself with independence? They move together as a hand in a glove: responsibility.
The more independent you are, the more responsibility you incorporate, and the more independent you are, the more you are responsible for whatever is in your charge, whether it be objects, whether it be structures, whether it be individuals, whether it be creatures, whether it be expressions. Any expression that you perceive to be in your charge, you are responsible for, and you are alone, for independence is separation. Independence is the moving away from. You do not generate independence TO; you generate independence FROM.
LYNDA: So let me ask you a question. I donít feel dread, yet, because thatís such an overwhelming statement...
ELIAS: (Quietly and intensely) This is an encouragement, for this is your avenue to connect to what you are, to who you are. You are essence.
What is your essence name?
ELIAS: And who is Ruther?
ELIAS: Is it?
LYNDA: I donít know.
ELIAS: Is that your association? Do you genuinely believe that? No Ė it incorporates another name, and if your essence incorporates another name, you automatically generate a separation. In this, you are independent of that. And independence, I will express quite genuinely, within your species is the jeweled prize.
LYNDA: Youíre right, it is. For women especially, to be independent of, to be their own people... Thereís a lot of facets of this thing.
ELIAS: VERY many.
LYNDA: I also know to be open and receiving is really important, and thatís not happening.
ELIAS: The more independent you are, the less you receive.
LYNDA: I am aware of that. Let me just clarify one piece. I like living alone. Is that a bad thing?
LYNDA: But thatís different from wanting to be independent. (Elias nods) Thatís a preference I have. I hear you; I get the idea of no separation, thatís the best thing...
ELIAS: What is the opposite of independence?
LYNDA: Being not separated from, to be part of, to be included in, to feel connected to everything...
ELIAS: (Smiles and nods) The automatic response is dependence. But you are correct, the reverse of independence is interconnectedness, is relationship, knowing your value in relationship apart from the attachments. Independence encourages the attachments.
LYNDA: Thatís big. My intent in this focus is an independently connected support or service expression, with meshing in there, too. Iíve always taken the independent part as thinking that I wouldnít become dependent or subservient, that I would have my own choices, but it would be my desire to...
ELIAS: For dependency is what you define as the opposite of independence, which it is not.
LYNDA: All right. Iím just trying not to invalidate my whole intent here. Itís probably going to blossom into something I always wanted, I would imagine, to really serve from the heart and be a part of expansion and growth in other peopleís lives and they in mine.
ELIAS: And genuinely recognizing your own value, and therefore recognizing that your value includes the entirety of your reality, that you are equally as valuable to the rest of your reality as you are to yourself.
LYNDA: But first comes that connection to self.
ELIAS: Correct, but also knowing that other individuals value you also.
LYNDA: I donít always not know that. I am aware of that at times.
ELIAS: And so do many individuals, at times. The transition you are moving into now in relation to identity is that of knowing it continuously, not through the attachments.
LYNDA: Iíd like that. Who wouldnít, Elias? It seems like thereís a lot of information coming out from other people about this very subject matter, other learned people, and I donít want to make gurus of anybody. I think thatís why I choose to be interactive with you, because youíre not a guru maker Ė unless all of us are gurus.
Itís a process, youíre right. That really stopped my train! Thatís a big bunch of words. That is the biggest, hardest, most difficult thing to even look at, because itís the prize of everything, independence.
ELIAS: It is the jewel.
LYNDA: Iíll tell you this, what I flinched at. Can I just tell you two flinches? The birds that I feed every morning, that I love to feed, the joy of doing it and knowing that I have as much money as I need to do it is replaced because what if something happens to me or what if I canít do it anymore. Iím constantly thinking what if I canít do this anymore, how will they live. It takes the joy away from it, but I love to do it. The same thing with my kitties, I adore their company and Iíve said to you before I love them almost too much. Nobody should love anybody so much. We love each other. What if something happened to me? I also feel like I canít go that many places because of them, but thatís okay because I love them. So itís kind of knotted up in responsibility for them but this great love, too, and a fear of loss.
Iím just identifying pieces for you there, and theyíre probably good examples of how much I worry about things. I donít want to; I want to trust while theyíre in my life and their abundant communication... Is that okay for me to just say my antidote for what I donít know at this point is, to the best I can in the present, genuinely appreciate my interaction with them and try not to project ahead about it?
LYNDA: I adore those crazy birds! Theyíre all over the place, and theyíre an example to me every morning of abundance. So I guess those are the two things dearest to me. This is an interesting piece. Iím going to share this with Mary about the responsibility/independence thing, because I know sheís looking at her own responsibility stuff right now.
ELIAS: This will require significant unraveling.
LYNDA: Thatís okay. Itís not like we donít have a lot of time.
LYNDA: But Iíd like to see a balance in it until we do know. Iím going to hang on to not being so black and white with it myself in terms of throwing the baby out with the bath water because I donít understand. I donít want to immobilize myself. Iíd like to, in the night, listen to the small dog and be able to center myself and let it roll off me, the dread. I did that a little bit early in the morning Ė if you could just tap into me for a second Ė I was laying in bed feeling the dread and then I just thought to trust myself and relax. I was able to go back to sleep. So for now, do you suggest I just continue to relax and let the thing...?
LYNDA: Thank you. Thank you for this information. Iíd like to have more common sessions. I hoping this evokes questions from the peanut gallery when itís released. I would imagine common orientation people that are emotionally focused and thought focused and religiously focused and politically focused would like another layer of information related to our movement.
ELIAS: Very well.
LYNDA: I will present that maybe next time.
ELIAS: Very well.
LYNDA: Okay, my dear, dear friend. Maybe weíre not as far away from this as we think we are.
ELIAS: I would agree.
LYNDA: I keep thinking that. I just honor my own passion and everybody elseís to come this far. To not get what we came for, a connection with ourselves, that would be really a bummer, if we didnít go for it. Iím going for it, and I encourage all the rest of us, too. Letís just go for it.
ELIAS: Very well. I shall be anticipating our next meeting. In great encouragement and in comfort, my friend, au revoir.
Elias departs after approximately 56 minutes.
(1) Eliasí definition of ďassociations,Ē from Session 2658, October 25, 2008:
ďAssociation: an association is what you form or what you create in relation to an experience. You generate an experience and you create an assessment of the experience, which includes a judgment, good or bad. Once that association is formed, it generally remains with you. Yes, it does involve many of the elements that you have described, but simply and clearly, an association is the assessment that you generate in relation to an experience that includes a judgment.Ē
And later in the session, in further explanation:
ďYou may have an experience pastly in which you were interactive with another individual and you may have felt invalidated in a particular type of scenario, and you may present yourself with what appears to be a similar situation. The imagery may be very different but it appears to be somewhat similar, and that association automatically comes into play without you thinking of it. It does not require your thought mechanism; you feel.
ďWhat you feel is the association. You think you are feeling in relation to what is occurring presently, but for the most part what you are feeling is that association, which is automatically being expressed, and you are not even identifying it. It is so present with you that you do not even notice it. Therefore, you think you are reacting to this moment and what is occurring in this moment. You think you are being present and you think are being in the now, but your indicator is where your attention is. That was your clue, that you are focused upon what the other individual is saying or doing, and it is bothersome to you. The reason it is bothersome to you is that already an association has been expressed and is present.Ē
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