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  Session 237 (Group/Castaic)  

“Dream Walker Interaction/Gramada”

Participants: Mary (Michael), Vicki (Lawrence), Ron (Olivia), Cathy (Shynla), Norm (Stephen), Drew (Matthew), Sue (Catherine), Bobbi (Jale), and Gail (William).

Elias arrives at 6:42 PM. (Time was fifteen seconds.)

ELIAS: Good evening. This evening we shall be continuing with your essence families and your Dream Walkers. The inquiry has been posed in wonderings of how different essence families are connecting with you, in like manner to this energy exchange as being of Sumafi and also of Sumari, and that other families may be connecting with you as Dream Walkers in different ways. This is so. We shall focus in the direction of the Gramada for this evening.

Futurely, the Gramada shall be instrumental in dream missions. Within the area of technology, the Gramada, as the initiators, shall be instrumental in initiating technology that shall allow you to be viewing and connecting with dream imagery. Within your technology futurely, you shall be developing instrumentation that shall allow you the ability to move into the area of dream imagery and connect with each other in this dream imagery. Presently, you focus upon your dream mission and are developing your skills in the area of becoming dream artists. Michael has developed the ability to connect with other individuals, as has other individuals connected within this forum, and interact with them at will within the dream state. You are aware of individuals that hold this ability also. Individuals are developing these skills as a prelude to what may be developing futurely. The Gramada family shall be those that shall be instrumental in this area, for throughout your history the Gramada family has gained information within this area.

I have expressed to you that individuals that are belonging to the Gramada family are initiators of action, of invention, of creation. These individuals are those that hold behind those that seek the limelight. These individuals are those that develop the ideas that propel you forward. This may be within many different areas. It may be within science, it may be within art, it may be within architecture, it may be within different inventions; but these individuals tap into information that allows you all to move forward within your development within physical focus.

They are not entirely, in themselves, accepted entirely. (Slight pause, and then humorously) This was redundant! (Laughter)

VICKI: (Laughing) It was!

NORM: (Laughing) What does that mean?

ELIAS: I am noticing! Our banner of noticing! (Chuckling)

NORM: A mistake!

ELIAS: These individuals ... you may strike the last entirely from your record!

VICKI: (Laughing) Alrighty! (But I don’t think I will)

ELIAS: [These individuals] move into innovative directions. You may look to your example of your Sir Einstein, who to this day is not entirely accepted within his theories. His theories are closer to fact than your sciences allow for. His theories concerning time are closer to reality than your physicists allow for, and of alternate realities. Another individual that you are quite familiar with, your Sir Carl Jung – another very innovative individual with information far beyond his science and much closer to reality than you view within the science of psychology. These individuals are initiators. These individuals connect to other areas, and to Dream Walkers and information provided to them through Dream Walkers. They connect to this information in a different manner than this energy exchange. They connect to this information through dreams. I have expressed to you that your dream activity, your imagery, is equal in reality to your waking reality. In this, much information may be accessed. These individuals initially were not quite understanding of the information provided, but held the ability to access this information and allow themselves to assimilate this information and create a method of presenting this information objectively to your planet.

The Gramada family intersects with Dream Walkers through dream interaction – actual intersection – or through an action of inspiration. Information is transferred in a way that the individual is understanding that the information is not being accessed from themselves, but is accessed through their own thoughts. I am quite sure that you are understanding of this Olivia, for you engage this same action; that you may think that there is a possibility that the thoughts are your own, but simultaneously holding a knowing that these thoughts that bleed through are not your own and are not of you. This is a common action within the Gramada family.

The Gramada do not normally exchange within the action of an energy exchange in this manner that you view presently, although it has occurred; but this would not be the usual action that they would be expressing themselves within, for the Gramada family are not quite so overt. They are more quiet, more subtle, and not demanding of attention in this flamboyant manner. Therefore, they choose more subtle manners of exchange.

I have expressed that the Milumet may be connecting with heavenly beings. They may be holding visions or exchanging with elements of your environment – in reality, in actuality, speaking to your creatures and your creatures speaking to them, or speaking to a tree and the tree speaking to them -- for they are quite connected with the earth, with the elements. The wind may speak to them, and this shall be an action of the Dream Walkers with them in conjunction with their intent.

As to the Gramada, being much more subtle, they shall interact with the Dream Walkers within their family in a more individual, personal manner. It shall not be the grandiose situation of groups or masses, but individually being inspired and interacting within dream imagery; although the dream imagery shall be slightly different from that imagery that you recognize, for there is an added element. They are not merely creating their own dream imagery interpreting from their own action within Regional Area 2, but they are in actuality in communication with other essences belonging to the Gramada family offering information to them to be initiating within physical focus.

(Intently) Your dream activity is much more important than you realize. It is reality. This is not to say that you all shall be connecting with the Gramada family within your dream state, for you do not belong to the Gramada family; but this is the method, so to speak, that the Gramada shall be connecting with individuals within physical focus as Dream Walkers, to be interacting and offering information to be helpful and to be furthering within your information. (To Vic) Question?

VICKI: Yeah, I have a question.

ELIAS: I am aware! (Laughter)

VICKI: You were saying that the Gramada family will be instrumental in developing new technology to be facilitating our connection and understanding of dream state, of our dream activity? Well, that tweaks me out! I mean, don’t we have the ability to do that?

ELIAS: You do!

VICKI: Then why do we need to develop technology to do it? That sounds like a backward motion to me!

ELIAS: This is not backward. You mirror within your objectivity all that you hold the ability to accomplish subjectively.

VICKI: Well, I kind of get the mirroring thing. It just seems like if there’s machinery around to do stuff for people, then people don’t acknowledge and learn how to use their own abilities.

ELIAS: There is machinery around to be communicating with each other. You hold telecommunications, do you not?

VICKI: Yes.

ELIAS: You hold the ability to be communicating with each other without this machinery ...

VICKI: Right. That’s my point!

ELIAS: ... but you develop these machinery as a mirror of what you hold the ability for. In this, you may objectively view what you hold abilities in and therein move forward, in your terms, to be accomplishing yourselves.

NORM: A second focus would be able, with this machinery, to view another person’s dreams? Is that what you’re saying?

ELIAS: I shall express an example. The technology shall provide you that one individual may enter the dream state. Another individual may enter the same dreamscape. A third individual, and fourth, may also enter the same dreamscape. You are already playing with this concept. You are already playing with this concept without your technology, but you do not control your environment precisely yet. You look to this action as chance. You might connect with each other, and you might not. Futurely, you shall hold the ability to intentionally connect with each other within specific circumstances within dream state, within what you term to be controlled circumstances. You may isolate a specific dreamscape, and at will enter this to be altering of the reality within the dreamscape. You shall hold the accomplishment of your dream mission. Your technology shall merely aid you in your ability to be accomplishing this at will regardless of your connections and regardless of your interests.

NORM: So the technology is going to bring you to some kind of a location; a scape; an area – you said a “dreamscape.”

ELIAS: No. YOU shall create the dreamscape. The technology shall merely enable others to join you at will within the same exact dreamscape.

NORM: So you will be interacting with the technology subjectively.

ELIAS: Correct. It is merely a tool.

VICKI: Yeah, I kind of see that. I kind of see that if we had a piece of machinery like that, it would be more real to people that this is a reality, that it’s something that they can accomplish. But on the other hand, I don’t see that our use of the telephone has ...

ELIAS: Benefited you? (Grinning) No!

VICKI: No! (Laughter)

ELIAS: And neither shall this technology either, in the manner that you are speaking; but it SHALL benefit you in aiding you in the direction of moving you into the area that you need not hold this technology. It is a tool; a stepping-stone to move you into areas in which this type of technology is unnecessary; but futurely, temporarily it shall be quite beneficial to you in allowing you to recognize that you DO create your reality, that your reality encompasses your dream imagery, and that your dream imagery IS reality and not to be discounted as any less than your waking reality.

NORM: Will the technology include a recording of some kind?

ELIAS: Yes.

NORM: So anybody can view it then.

ELIAS: Yes.

NORM: Wonderful!

DREW: Do dreams take place within space?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes; for your dream imagery is connected with your objective awareness. Therefore, it is also connected with your space arrangement. Your time framework is different and your space arrangement is less defined, but – in your terms – but these dream imageries do occur within space arrangements that are directly connected to this physical focus.

DREW: Dream imagery is imagery for action, but it’s not the action itself, correct? It’s an interpretation of the action.

ELIAS: Correct.

DREW: So when people are joining us in this dreamscape, are they joining us in the action? Where exactly is this joining taking place?

ELIAS: They are joining you in all three areas. They are joining you within the area of Regional Area 2, which you are creating within. They are also joining you within your dreamscape and they are also joining you within your waking state, which are both imagery of Regional Area 2.

DREW: Is Regional Area 2 a space?

ELIAS: It is an area of consciousness.

DREW: So when they join us in our dreamscape ... well, area implies space.

ELIAS: No. Regional Area 2 is merely a term that I have placed upon an area of consciousness which is directly related to physical focus, but it occupies no space arrangement. It is merely consciousness.

DREW: And this is part of our dreamscape? (Pause)

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking.

DREW: So when people join us there, where are they joining us if it’s not a space arrangement?

ELIAS: Within your objective awareness, within your dreamscape and within your waking state, they ARE joining you within a space arrangement.

DREW: And the third area?

ELIAS: They are not. It is merely within consciousness.

DREW: Okay.

NORM: At work, about a week-and-a-half ago I think it was, I was walking down the hall, and a woman who is a supervisor, who I hardly know, really surprised me. She said, “I had a dream about you last night.” I said, “Well, what did you dream about?” She said, “You were chasing a tire around on the freeway.” It turned out that a couple of days before that, I realized that the tires on my van needed replacement, so the night before, I believe it was, I replaced all of the tires on my van. Was this an example of that? I had dreams of having a problem with tires and she interpreted it?

ELIAS: Connected with this.

NORM: Connected. So ...

ELIAS: Correct. This would be an objective example within your waking state.

NORM: She didn’t have a dream of it then? (Elias nods) She DID have a dream of it?

ELIAS: Correct.

NORM: But how was that within the objective state?

ELIAS: Your dream state is intermingled with your subjective awareness, but it is also objective. If it were not so, you would not ever remember a dream, for you would hold no objective awareness.

NORM: So we weren’t connecting in a dream then?

ELIAS: Yes!

NORM: Oh, okay ... which is partially objective.

ELIAS: Correct.

VICKI: Can I test my understanding of this here? So would that mean that Norm and this woman connected within consciousness subjectively in Regional Area 2, whatever their action was, and the woman created dream imagery that was the same as Norm’s objective imagery ...

ELIAS: Correct.

VICKI: ... and they both created imagery as representing the action.

ELIAS: Correct; in the same manner that at times – many times, many more times than you realize -- Michael creates dream imagery and you create objective imagery. They both hold an objective element, but within dream state there is more subjective interaction in play.

Do not misunderstand. This is a difficult area, for this is not to say that your subjective awareness is not fully in play within your waking state. It is; but you hold more of an awareness of your subjective activity within dream state than within waking state. They are equally working within harmony at all times. It is merely a difference of your perception and your awareness of their workings. Is this clear? (Pause, looking at each person) No, it is not clear!

(Intently) Your subjective and objective awareness are continuously within harmony. They are continuously within perfectly working order. Within your waking state, you occupy your attention objectively. This does not mean that your subjective awareness is not perfectly working continuously, and inputting. It is. You are merely not objectively aware of its interaction, for you focus your attention singularly within your objective waking awareness. Within your dream state, within your dream imagery, you relax your objective attention. In this, you allow your attention to drift into an awareness of your subjective awareness. Therefore, you allow yourself both. It is not working any more or any better within your dream state than it is within your waking state. You merely allow yourself to relax your attention and therefore open your periphery and open your attention to incorporate both subjective and objective awarenesses, therefore allowing yourselves more information objectively. Now is this understood?

VICKI: Conceptually. (Elias grins and nods)

ELIAS: We shall break, and you may continue with your questions.

BREAK 7:17 PM.
RESUME 7:43 PM. (Time was five seconds.)

ELIAS: Continuing.

GAIL: I have two questions. I’d like to know what the imagery that I saw in dream state was the other night, the colors and the little patterns that I saw? It was very beautiful.

ELIAS: Once again, expound for individuals present! (Grinning)

GAIL: Well, what I can remember is, it was very colorful and it seemed to be a pattern of some sort. I don’t know what the meaning of it was. That’s all I can remember. (Pause)

ELIAS: This would be a newly developing pattern, if you are so choosing within probabilities. It would be your imagery to yourself of viewing new aspects and new choices within this particular focus, if you are so choosing to be accessing of these. If so, you shall be creating in an area of a renewed excitement and acceptability within self.

GAIL: Okay, thank you. The other question is, when David and Tom and I did a TFE, I was viewing something and David wanted a name to what I was doing, and what I came up with was that I was consciousness. Is this the experience of conceptualization?

ELIAS: No.

GAIL: Can you explain what that was?

ELIAS: This would be a viewing of an aspect of essence; an area of consciousness. (Pause) In moving into other areas of consciousness, you may be aware of only consciousness, and it may appear to be quite different from what you recognize within physical focus.

GAIL: Yeah, it feels very different.

ELIAS: You are quite familiar with physical focus. This is where you focus your attention. Therefore, this is what you view to be all of reality, but other areas of reality are quite different.

GAIL: Like the experience of when I was a tree? That felt very different from that experience of consciousness.

ELIAS: Although this is not in reality being a tree. It is merely a connection within consciousness of elements connected to your physical focus which are part of you. You are not a tree!

GAIL: Right. I understand that.

ELIAS: But all of consciousness, all of the elements within your physical focus, are created by you; therefore are an aspect of you and are connected with you. Therefore, you may access these elements of consciousness.

GAIL: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

NORM: I have a series of questions in regard to consciousness families, probable worlds, and the experiment. First, the consciousness families: The focus that an individual has or that an entity has here in this dimension is that you belong to one family and are usually aligned with another family. The importance of that alignment is what percentage of the overall importance of the experiences desired by the entity?

ELIAS: It is quite important, for you are belonging to one essence family. In manifesting within physical focus, you choose alignments with different essence families for that experience, for this also is influencing of your intent within the individual focus.

NORM: How well are you connected? I suppose it depends upon your desires, the extent of the connection.

ELIAS: The individual focus holds the continuing underlying family that the entirety of the essence belongs to, but the alignment with the family within an individual focus is stronger or overriding or more obvious for the individual focus than the underlying.

NORM: I understand that, or at least I feel that I do.

ELIAS: The entirety of essence is belonging to one family. Therefore, all of the focuses belong to this one family; but each focus experiences, within alignment of their intent, with another family.

NORM: The alignment is an agreement and an exchange of energy continually?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

NORM: In another manner of speaking?

ELIAS: It is not an agreement in what you view as an agreement. It is a choice of experience. It is an agreement of exchange that all of the families are in harmony with, but it is not an agreement in the terms that an individual focus expresses to another family, “I am choosing to be aligning with you for this focus.” (Grinning)

NORM: It’s a natural metaphysical action then?

ELIAS: Correct.

NORM: Okay. Probable worlds: I’m doing a lot of imagining of probable worlds and I’m wondering how accurate I’m being in this. In the field of statistics, there’s something called the ensemble. The ensemble is the set of all possible probabilities of all actions, and I and all of my probable I’s are experiencing that entire ensemble. Is that correct? (Elias takes a deep breath)

ELIAS: I shall express to you that you are thinking too small.

NORM: Wow! Why would that be? I mean, I thought I was inclusive.

ELIAS: By your very words of “set of probability” and “inclusive,” you imply a closed system.

NORM: Hmm. Okay, I understand. It is truly uncountable then.

ELIAS: Correct.

NORM: Okay, and so it goes to the point where every time I make a decision and I choose maybe one of two or one of three or four or five or whatever, there are automatically split two Norms or three Norms or four Norms.

ELIAS: Countless.

NORM: Countless; and so they continue to do that and so on. I am intending ... and now I’m getting down to why I’m very interested in the experiment that I want to do. It occurs to me that I ought to be able to communicate with the probable world that the atoms are going to be going into, and instead of having, as you commented last week, random actions of closing the slit, I could be closing the slit or both of the slits or multiple slits so that I could be communicating in a code to them, and if I’m doing this, there is a probable self that is accepting of the molecules or the ions that will not hit the target, and that probable self would then be able to understand. If I do it appropriately, he should be able to understand and then maybe communicate back to me. Would that be an idea that could be done?

ELIAS: It is possible. Within one probable reality, they SHALL hit.

NORM: Right, and they shall hit in an experiment that looks not exactly like my experiment, but close to my experiment, because I’m making choices right now as to how the experiment is going to be.

ELIAS: The experiment shall be illusive and amazing to the probable you also; for they shall hit, but they shall not be shot.

NORM: They shall not be shocked?

ELIAS: Shot.

NORM: S-H-O-T?

ELIAS: Correct.

NORM: They shall not be shot ...

ELIAS: Therefore, they shall appear ...

NORM: Oh, I see. I see! I can’t direct where it will go then?

ELIAS: They shall appear from nothingness.

NORM: Well, I’m trying to make a target so that ...

ELIAS: They shall hit the target ...

NORM: In the other world?

ELIAS: ... but they shall appear from nowhere ...

NORM: I understand.

ELIAS: ... for they have been shot from you! (Grinning)

NORM: Yeah, I understand! I don’t want to hurt anybody either, by the way.

ELIAS: You shall not.

NORM: Okay. With cadmium ions there is a little bit of a poisonous probability of that occurring, but I’ve played with it many times so I don’t think I’m going to hurt anybody. But I could, for example, develop a florescent screen, or at least I could have a florescent screen experience the shot, so if they wanted to shoot back to me, I could see it on the florescent screen.

ELIAS: It is possible. I express to you that it may be advisable to you to be within communication to this specific probable self! (Grinning)

NORM: I would love to be able to do that! I will certainly try. Am I experiencing some of that now?

ELIAS: Partially.

NORM: Because the fact is that these ideas just kind of roll in, which is kind of neat! One of the things I’d like to do, which would be quite shocking of course, would be to ... I’ll send him cadmium ions and he could send me gold ions, or zinc, or some other thing!

ELIAS: Less probable.

NORM: Well, if I communicate with him, I can ...

ELIAS: It is POSSIBLE, but it is less probable.

NORM: Well, I’ve got all the probabilities going, right?

ELIAS: It is merely your choosing or what you choose to be creating, although I shall express to you that your officially accepted reality is quite strong!

NORM: My officially accepted reality ... okay, that brings me to the question as to the relative importance of the two, or of any other reality that I go into. Why do you say it’s strong? I mean, this officially accepted reality here is quite strong.

ELIAS: Correct.

NORM: My entity is in all of the other realities.

ELIAS: Correct.

NORM: I hesitate to say it because I don’t think it’s true, but is it true that this is more important than the other ones?

ELIAS: No, but your attention is focused here.

NORM: My attention as a focus is first focused here.

ELIAS: Correct.

NORM: And the other probabilities, I’m just experiencing all of the others?

ELIAS: They are aspects of you.

NORM: Okay, okay. By the way, for example this forum, there are millions or trillions of these forums then?

ELIAS: Correct.

NORM: In all probable worlds?

ELIAS: Correct.

NORM: Lovely! (Laughter) Let’s see ...

CATHY: Yeah! He does parlor tricks in some of the other ones!

NORM: Interesting that this is more important. I’ll have to think. Thanks! Thank you very much.

ELIAS: (To Cathy) I may be surprising you one day!

CATHY: I doubt it! (Laughter)

ELIAS: (Chuckling) Although Shynla may not be viewing the parlor trick, for you do not view ANYTHING out of your officially accepted reality now!

CATHY: That’s correct!

NORM: Okay. My idea of Shynla’s gift from Rose, the finch bird, I was thinking for a while that it came in from a probable reality; that it appeared from another probable reality into this one. That’s not true then?

ELIAS: It was spontaneously created.

NORM: Spontaneously, completely created here in this reality?

ELIAS: Correct.

NORM: Is there anything unusual about the DNA of that bird? (The eternal scientist!)

ELIAS: It is quite a normal little bird! Well ... not quite!

NORM: It loves to listen to Elias!

ELIAS: Quite! (Grinning)

NORM: It sings very well when they play your recordings.

ELIAS: And would be singing quite well also for Rose!

NORM: How would you play Rose?

ELIAS: Quite easily, (to Cathy) would you not?

CATHY: I don’t know!

ELIAS: Do you not view focuses of Rose among you? (Pause) You do! (Long pause)

VICKI: I have another question about what we were talking about before, about imagery. Recently my experience has been that when I take a nap in the daytime, I don’t go all the way asleep, but I’m not all the way awake either. So I’m like halfway in between, and in this halfway in between state, I get a lot of imagery, a lot, and ...

ELIAS: Correction: You REMEMBER a lot of imagery.

VICKI: I remember a lot of imagery. What do you mean?

ELIAS: You create much imagery when you are “all the way” asleep!

VICKI: Right, but I don’t remember it.

ELIAS: You do not remember; but if you are holding to your objectivity more, you shall remember more.

VICKI: So that’s basically what’s going on, and the imagery itself is no different, as far as the reality of it, than any imagery?

ELIAS: Correct. You merely remember more easily and more vividly, for you are allowing more of your objective awareness to be interactive.

VICKI: Okay. That’s the only question I really have about it.

DREW: I have a couple. Actually, one is about a dream that I had. But just to follow up Vicki’s question, because I have a lot of that too, it’s an awareness while it’s happening, or at least it seems to be, so I don’t know if I’d classify it as remembering.

ELIAS: You always hold an awareness while you are within the imagery. You do not always hold an objective awareness when you are within waking state. Your imagery is the same. It is equally as vivid. It is equally as strong. It is merely a question of how much of your objective awareness you allow while in your imagery, and if allowing your objective awareness within your imagery, you shall also remember your imagery, and the more that you allow your objective awareness the more vivid your imagery becomes, for the less distinction you create between your waking and your dreaming states.

VICKI: It’s weird, because I have a hard time calling that a dream. If I’m going to tell somebody about imagery I had in that particular state, it doesn’t sound right to call it a dream, because I guess I have a definition of a dream as being when you’re fully asleep.

ELIAS: You are creating less of a separation, therefore creating more of a mergence between objective and subjective; allowing more of an awareness and less of a distinction between the two. You hold belief systems that they are very different; that one is imaginary, one is reality. They are both reality. They are merely created slightly differently. The more that you allow the objective interaction within your dream state, the more vivid and what you term to be “real” it becomes, for the less distinction there is between your waking state and your dream state.

DREW: Entering into this state and attempting to maintain it would be a helpful exercise?

ELIAS: Correct.

DREW: I find that when that’s going on, like if I’m meditating or something and I go “Oh wow! I’m seeing imagery!,” as soon as I’m aware that I’m aware, it becomes more difficult. I begin to manipulate it as opposed to letting myself observe it.

ELIAS: You may manipulate. This would be the point, to be allowing yourself to manipulate within these states – which are in actuality all the same – as you manipulate within your waking state.

VICKI: I’ve tried to do that because it seems like it would be easier because you’d have an objective awareness, but whenever I try to do that, all of a sudden I’m wide awake and not there any more.

DREW: Yeah. It sort of takes you out a lot more somehow, physically focuses you a little more somehow, when you start to try to do that. Is there any advantage in not manipulating, in just letting the information come?

ELIAS: You may if you are so choosing, until you are comfortable within this area and trusting yourself that you shall not be pulling yourself away and creating a distinction and reverting to your waking state; but eventually, the objective is to be manipulating as efficiently within your dream state as you do within your waking state. This be an element of your dream mission.

DREW: Well, speaking of dreams, I had one the other night. It’s been a while since I’ve had one that made me feel like getting up at four in the morning and writing it down and asking you about it, but I’m going to. They’re not dreams any more. They’re like movies. They’re epics! Before I read it to you and ask for your impressions or information, there were a couple of things about it that stood out to me. One is that there are three elements in it. The color silver or silver-gray are in here quite a bit, and also images that seemed to be from the 1970’s are in here a few times. I’ll read it quick. I promise not to be too long. (Famous last words!)

I’m upstairs in a bar near closing. It’s a small bar. I’m one of the last patrons. A waitress jumps into a tall man’s arms because something frightened her. They begin flirting, and then they’re kissing. I’m amazed and jealous. Then I begin to think that they already know each other. They leave together. I remain, looking for some action. A waitress puts her silver handbag on a barstool. I move it, setting it on the bar so I can sit on the stool. She comes by. I ask if it’s okay that I moved it. She says yes.

Then it seems to be later. I’m the last one in the bar. I’m surprised everyone has gone and left the bar empty with me there. I decide it’s time for sleep. I move to turn off the TV over the bar, when below, a man out on a nighttime sidewalk catches my attention through a window. He seems old and derelict, and frightens me. He almost sees me as he looks up, so I turn off the TV which is creating light in the room. I notice as the TV goes off that the light, which was causing a stroboscopic effect on the man, was fairly bright, and turning it off catches his attention. He looks up toward the window, but I duck and he doesn’t see me. I watch as he tips over a trash can, spilling a lot of trash down the sloping street. He then takes long tongs, and holding them down toward the clipping end, begins to go through the trash. I am indignant that he has spilled the trash, but wait to see what he’s doing. He’s taking aluminum cans out of the trash. I get mad that an aluminum can collector has made such a mess on the street. There’s aluminum/silver again. I slide open the window, while fearing he now knows where I live, and say, “You’re going to clean up that trash, aren’t you?” He says, “Oh, yes. Yes, I’m going to clean it up.” I say, “Well, would you rather have me keep an eye on you, or the police?” He gets the message and goes to clean up the trash. As part of the clean-up, he moves an old-fashioned, 1970’s style station wagon which is parked on the street. He moves it by simply putting his hand under the bumper and dragging it. He nonchalantly throws it to the other side of the street this way. I’m amazed by his strength, but then the station wagon seems to have lost its brakes and comes rolling quickly down the hill at the man. He jumps out of the way. It just misses him and continues rolling out of control down the hill.

I am now suddenly in a small Datsun – not a Nissan, but a Datsun, which was in the 70’s also -- following the out-of-control ... and the Datsun, by the way, was silver or silver-gray ... following the out-of-control station wagon, which is now a bus, also silver-gray, careening down the winding streets. It keeps just missing major collisions with people and things. At one point, as it swerves down a twisty hill, I lose control of my car. I turn into the front yard of a house and keep driving in circles, hoping my speed will reduce enough so that I can harmlessly drive into a hedge to stop the car. I’m going fast, and all the hedges seems sharp and full of hard branches and twigs. Finally my car bumps gently on its side against a soft, bushy hedge. I think I said, “No harm done.”

As I got out, I now cannot see the bus as the road is twisty and descends down a hill, but I know it has missed several big crashes and can now hear what sounds like people shouting and lots of activity, as if maybe it finally crashed into someone. Then, coming from the house whose front yard I’m in, I hear my mom mournfully moaning, “No, no, no!” I think she’s concerned that I was in an accident. My feelings are mixed. I’m touched that she’s concerned, and also feel a little guilty that part of what she’s feeling is concern over what she perceives to be more bad luck for me; also some guilt that I’m making her feel this way; also love, that she’s loved me enough to care that much; also concern for her fears and anxiety. I also have some concern that maybe she’s wailing, “No, no, no!” about something else bad that’s happening in the house, like a burglar or a rapist or my dad died or something. I rush to the front doors, which I can sense as being the old doors that they had in the 70’s, and at the same time are the new doors they currently have now.

I awake with a mournful plea of “No, no, no!” still with me ... bothering me, scaring me. I wanted to call home to see if everything was okay, but it was quarter-to-five in the morning, so I didn’t. That was my dream! (Whew!)

ELIAS: Your imagery is much more brief than your dream! (Chuckling) This would be an embodiment of our discussion of yesterday.

DREW: The pleasure discussion?

ELIAS: Correct. This dream is your imagery to yourself. In the beginning, you are viewing other individuals and looking to these individuals experiencing a pleasurable experience and feeling resentful of this, that you are not experiencing this and you are not allowing yourself your own experience within the area of pleasure. Then you move to the area of this man that frightens you and also displays undesirable behavior to you, which you hold judgments upon. This man is you.

The silver that you have created throughout your dream is representative of your connection, your tie, to this other you, in like manner to what many individuals, very many individuals, believe to be their “silver cord to their astral self.” In like manner, you have created imagery in this to be connecting you to this man that you view to be distasteful, which you view as you; not being the you that is allowing himself that which brings you joyfulness, but creating what you view to be restrained and distasteful. In this, you also create imagery of this car, which is what you view to be “out of control.” The car is moving out of control in symbolization of how you view your own belief systems, and holding no control over managing these.

I am choosing my words carefully for your benefit!

In this, you choose to be entering another car in pursuit of these belief systems, but in the attempt are also losing control of the vehicle that you occupy and moving into the area of stopping as the other vehicle moves beyond you; but you offer yourself reassurance in the imagery of your mother, that you are acceptable and that you are valued. In this, you offer imagery to yourself that you are valuing of yourself; not that your mother is valuing of you, but that you continue to hold an aspect that is valuing of you and that you may be accomplishing, but you must move beyond your fearfulness.

DREW: The most disturbing part of the dream to me, which was what woke me, was the “No, no, no!” that sounded so mournful. What does that represent?

ELIAS: This would be your fearfulness. This would be reasonable for you to awaken yourself with that term, for you are attempting to be rejecting of this and attempting to move into the area of accepting. Therefore, it is unacceptable to you within your imagery that you shall be expressing “no” in sorrowfulness, for it is unnecessary.

DREW: Let me just clarify a little bit, because it’s a little confusing. The bus representing belief systems, correct? The out-of-control bus representing belief systems? (Elias nods) Those are belief systems I currently have or belief systems I’m moving toward, that I’m afraid may run out of control?

ELIAS: Belief systems that you currently hold, that you are moving in the direction of challenging.

DREW: And I’m challenging them because I feel they may be going out of control?

ELIAS: No; but you hold fearfulness that this may be a possibility if not challenged.

DREW: I see. Okay. Is there significance to the 1970’s aspects of this? The station wagon, the old doors at the house ... there was something else. I don’t remember what it was.

ELIAS: This merely provides you with an area of safety; nostalgia.

DREW: I think the last time I talked to you about a dream, I was also in a car that didn’t lose control, but I gave up control, actually to you. I suspect that cars or vehicles are a dream trigger for me. I’m wondering, number one, if that’s correct. And, is there any other significance to the fact that I’m in these cars that are continually losing control or I’m giving up control of, or are these two not related?

ELIAS: This would be a familiar imagery that you are creating within your dream imagery, an element that you may recognize. You may also attempt within a dream trigger.

DREW: In terms of manipulating my dreams?

ELIAS: Correct.

DREW: Accessing it that way?

ELIAS: Correct. Within elements that you create consistently within your dream imagery, you may view these to be dream triggers and they may be quite helpful in accessing more information, for you may move into the area of your dream trigger and it shall offer you more information.

DREW: One last question about this: I think I understand the symbolism in terms of the beliefs, which are the belief systems, and “No, no, no!” was to indicate that I need not be fearful of them?

ELIAS: Correct; that you are not accepting of the overpoweringness of the fearfulness.

DREW: (Whispering) Overpoweringness of the fearfulness ... (Elias nods) Then there’s more fear than I’m aware of. Is that what you mean?

ELIAS: Correct.

DREW: Hmm!

VICKI: Scary thought, huh? (Laughter)

DREW: It’s interesting, because when I woke up from this dream ... we had discussed once before that there were times that I sensed an energy in my house and you said that was fear, and that was completely there. I identified with that. This dream was representative of lots of things, but I’m not sure it was guiding in terms of the action to be taken. Should I assume that that’s just my choice on an objective level, in terms of whether or not I worry about the fear connected with the old belief systems? There was no guidance in it, I didn’t think. It was just representative of what’s going on with me. Would that be safe to say?

ELIAS: It is representative of what you are experiencing and what you are moving into within challenges of your belief systems.

DREW: But strictly representative and not necessarily directive?

ELIAS: No.

DREW: Those are choices that are still in my hands objectively?

ELIAS: Correct.

DREW: Alright. Thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

SUE: I have a question about a dream that I had. I think it was the first one I’ve remembered since I’ve been coming here, so I thought I’d ask about it. I dreamt that I was in a house, I think out in the country, and there were other people there. I don’t remember seeing them, but I know there were other people in the house. I think it was a haunted house, and we were there ... it was some kind of experiment or something. That was why we were in this house. I remember hearing music playing. It was the music from that old TV show “One Step Beyond,” about ghosts and things like that. Remember that? The last thing I remember is, I was going to take a bath and I went around ... it was at night, so I closed the windows and drew the curtains so no one could see in. And then I woke up.

ELIAS: This would be imagery that you have created for yourself in conjunction with other realities. Your symbolism to yourself or your imagery to yourself of other physical realities, you image as hauntings; unknowns. You also image this in what you view to be partially a safe area within an enclosure, that you may not be harmed by these other realities. You also move into the direction of moving to the bath. This would be imagery to yourself of cleansing yourself from what you view to be non-acceptable or evil, and closing your windows in fearfulness of what exists beyond what you know. These types of imagery many times are very helpful. Although they may be uncomfortable at times to individuals, they may also provide you with an outlet, emotionally and through imagery, that you may more easily move into areas of acceptance of other realities. This is an instrumental action within your dream imagery, to be creating of elements that you hold fearfulness within objectively and dispelling elements of these fears within your dream state as opposed to within your waking state; just as many individuals create imagery of werewolves and vampires and aliens within their dream state, for this provides them the opportunity to be confronting these situations, realizing that there is more beyond their individual physical focus and allowing themselves to dispel fearfulness within these areas.

SUE: So does that mean I’m becoming more open with these things, and I was letting some of the fears go then?

ELIAS: Correct.

SUE: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

VICKI: I have just a couple of little things here. Briefly, Jane Roberts ... was she Sumari aligned with Sumafi in her focus?

ELIAS: Sumari/Sumari.

VICKI: Sumari/Sumari?

ELIAS: Correct.

VICKI: And the other thing is, I had a really strong impression today that you were going to be delivering some sort of an objective message to Mary, and obviously that hasn’t happened, and I’m just curious if you’re just sitting there waiting for me to ask about it.

ELIAS: The probabilities have changed. Your impression was correct.

NORM: I have some questions or some comments in regard to the Dream Walkers. The Dream Walkers are aspects – maybe that’s not the right word – of essences who are experiencing the time reality of this dimension, and it’s like they are, to me, on an inspection tour as to the extent of the creativity that has gone into the development of this dimension and perhaps this planet. They were representatives of all of the essence families. Not all essences, of course, were Dream Walkers. If I’m making an incorrect statement, please correct me. I want to ask, was Rose a Dream Walker?

ELIAS: Yes.

NORM: They had a great deal to do with the creation of this earth?

ELIAS: Yes.

NORM: They were, in fact ...

ELIAS: They ARE.

NORM: ... the creators.

ELIAS: Not were; they ARE.

NORM: They are the creators. Right. Okay.

ELIAS: And they are also not confined within your time framework.

NORM: Okay, but in order to be a Dream Walker, they almost had to modify or disperse their total essence capabilities, right? They were only a fraction ... a Dream Walker is only like a focus, not a complete ... (Elias is shaking his head) No?

ELIAS: No.

NORM: They ARE a complete essence?

ELIAS: They are an essence. They are not a focus.

NORM: Okay. That was my primary goal ... Okay, thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

We shall be discontinuing this evening, and I shall be expressing much affection to you all.

(To Drew, smiling) And you may be continuing in your quest! I am encouraging of this. (Cathy laughs -- big mistake!)

(To Cathy, grinning) I am quite encouraging of Shynla and hold DEEP affection for this little one ... truly! (Very humorously) I am reminiscent of, “Elias, am I still too young?” (Much laughter)

CATHY: Oh, shut up! (We all crack up -- this is an old joke)

ELIAS: (Laughing) Was this not your question?

CATHY: It was a joke!

ELIAS: (Still laughing) I may be joking too!

CATHY: Obviously!

ELIAS: I extend much affection to you all, and shall be anticipating our next meeting. With great affection, I bid you all a fond au revoir!

Elias departs at 8:38 PM.

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