Elias Transcripts – Session 1156, Sunday, October 13, 2002

FRANK: A lot of interesting things. What have I been presenting to myself – shifting more towards my intent, correct? In doing so, I think I’m taking that a little bit further with trust of self right now, I think, and stepping out further into the things that objectively I’m not familiar with, feeling that unfamiliarity of shifting and also of untouched ground for myself, and noticing that, at least. Right? I guess just venturing out in that direction, totally.

ELIAS: Very well.

FRANK: First, I have just a couple of focus questions. We’ll get those out of the way. Sergei Diaghilev – am I him or related or interactive with him?

ELIAS: A friend.

FRANK: Close enough. How close a friend? In the industry, sort of or...? (Pause)

ELIAS: Fairly consistently interactive.

FRANK: The ballet person Anna Pavlova, is she represented by my friend Diana, the same essence? (Pause)

ELIAS: Observing essence.

FRANK: Ah, that explains that. Allesander, question for Allesander, was he Genghis Khan?

ELIAS: No.

FRANK: In the realm of?

ELIAS: Yes.

FRANK: Was he in the realm of St. Augustine or was he St. Augustine himself? (Pause)

ELIAS: A monk.

FRANK: A monk in his...? (Elias nods in agreement) My friend Brenda, essence name Michelle, did she have interaction with you in the chapter focus of Scotland or Wales? (Pause)

ELIAS: Scotland.

FRANK: Was that relationship a friendly one or was there some animosity between each other?

ELIAS: Conflict.

FRANK: That resonates now when I talk to her about you. We figured that; I just wanted to confirm it. (To Ben) It’s like you, the way you do. (Pause)

BEN: (Whispers) Tolstoy.

FRANK: Is Tolstoy a focus of my essence, or am I in his realm of interaction?

ELIAS: Observing essence.

FRANK: Ah, okay! Is that the Russian writer you were talking about as far as I was concerned or was that...?

ELIAS: No.

FRANK: There’s another one?

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: Dostoyevsky?

ELIAS: No.

FRANK: We’ll leave that for another day. As far as where I am now and as far as choices go, I know I felt I’ve shifted a lot objectively and what not, but there is that resistance that I still feel. Is that just the uncomfortableness of a new circumstance that I’m presenting to myself, or am I just resisting the change of it?

ELIAS: This is associated with movement that all of you in association with this forum have generated collectively and individually in what you term to be recent months, which you express as “the blackout.”

Every individual that is interactive in this forum has chosen to be collectively participating in a movement of shifting but in a particular manner, which has been and is being beneficial to you each. You each express the experience in association with your uniqueness and your individual directions.

Therefore, what has been expressed is a recognition and experience of the familiar. Each of you have presented to yourselves your most familiar automatic response that you have expressed throughout your focus individually. In the recognition of that most familiar automatic response, generating that experience has moved concept into reality. What has shifted is the perception, moving the desire from the comfort of the familiar and now generating the discomfort in the familiar, shifting the desire to the unfamiliar and allowance for an expression of comfort in the unfamiliar.

FRANK: Comfort IN the unfamiliar?

ELIAS: Correct. This is what has been shifting in this time framework, which offers you tremendous information.

Now; individuals are expressing this shifting in different manners and different capacities. Some individuals are generating much more of a comfort in the unfamiliar than other individuals; but all of you have collectively participated in this particular movement of this shifting in the same expression.

Now; individually, as I have stated, you each have chosen your own unique most familiar automatic response, generating that experience. Some individuals continue to be generating that experience and awaiting interaction with myself to be offering explanation. Some individuals have offered themselves explanations. Some individuals have moved their experience into the unfamiliar without the expression of fear or apprehension, allowing themselves the freedom to follow their desire in this shifting, but choose to be incorporating conversation with myself to validate that experience, and as yourself, to clarify the partial continuation of restriction, which is that continued association with the familiar and, in a manner of speaking, the hold of strength of the familiar that you are attempting to move outside of. Figuratively speaking, a residual energy of the familiar, but the strength of the desire to move into the unfamiliar is much greater.

FRANK: Right. I can feel that in proportion.

ELIAS: And this is the action of this shifting.

FRANK: So what I would very objectively describe as my feelings of risk and stepping out is that feeling?

ELIAS: Yes.

FRANK: But like there’s this overwhelming drive, just who cares, just to go over that and do what you have to do to change things and to be in a different place, objectively speaking?

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: Because that’s reflecting the subjective.

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: So it’s basically, just for myself, just persisting with that and that’ll pass in itself, and the residual effect will go away and the shift will more have taken place and we’ll be in that position?

ELIAS: Correct. This is purposeful for it is offered in experience, evidence of actually shifting and what is meant by this term. (Pause)

FRANK: So on a personal level, my friend Aaron who I partnered up with, what is his essence family?

ELIAS: Your impression?

FRANK: Good question. I should have asked myself that before this weekend. I’d say Milumet or Vold, something in that area.

ELIAS: Reverse.

FRANK: Reverse? Vold/Milumet?

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: Wow, that’s a lot to deal with! That’s unfamiliar! (Laughs)

BEN: Essence name?

FRANK: Yeah, what’s his essence name?

ELIAS: Essence name, Juana, J-U-A-N-A (HWAN nah).

FRANK: Thank you. Were he and I together in Constantinople and were we Moorish?

ELIAS: Yes.

MIKE: Wow, you did good!

FRANK: Like that Mikey?

MIKE: Yes!

FRANK: See, that’s new for me. I’ve never done that.

MIKE: What, looked for my approval? (All laugh)

FRANK: Touché, touché! That will not happen again! I am beyond such need for validation from you, having escaped you once! (Laughter)

From your standpoint, what can you tell me about where I am now, what I’ve done so far, and what I can do just to aid me in making a smoother transition?

ELIAS: In which capacity?

FRANK: The idea of shifting and the objective ability to handle that and deal with it. I think I’m doing it. I see it, and I know when I’m resisting, I know when I’m not resisting. I know when to just be aware of it and climb over it. Is that just my way of doing it?

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: That’s just the way I handle it.

ELIAS: Within your terms, this is efficient movement within your focus. I may express to you, allow yourself not to force. For at times your desire may be great and you may express to yourself objectively that you are leaping the hurdle and expressing the risk. At times you may force your energy and yourself to be generating movement, and it may be more beneficial to allow yourself an allowance of time. It is not a race.

FRANK: That also objectively translates to not forcing or pushing other people to do certain things in certain ways that I think is better or more efficient.

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: I kind of sensed that coming. That would cause me conflict, obviously, right?

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: I think a lot of times that I have let a lot of things go. I know that it’s better just to let it happen than to say things that aren’t necessary in those instances. But okay, I think I got that.

ELIAS: Correct, and recognizing that what you choose and the manner in which you move is your choice, the manner in which other individuals move is their choice, and one is not better than the other.

FRANK: A big part of acceptance is just...

ELIAS: Yes.

FRANK: That’s a little scary there. I can see the conflicts going down. (Pause)

Anything else – oh, just a quickie. As far as specifically my eyesight, it’s been getting, in my terms, less efficient than it has been over the last two or three years. What am I objectively expressing there, just with the eyesight? Everything else seems to be shifting one way, but this is just the way it is. I don’t know if that’s a belief about age or age-related stuff or...?

ELIAS: Partially, but also allow yourself to recognize your judgments and your automatic associations that this expression of affectingness of vision is bad. It may not necessarily be bad in association with your movement.

This is what I am expressing to you, Christian. Allow yourself the incorporation of the bigger picture, so to speak, which may offer you different information. In this, you are allowing yourself more of a clarity within your expression, your direction, and your knowing. Therefore, what you visually incorporate becomes less important.

FRANK: Interesting. Okay, judgment – I think I’ve been aware of judgment at a certain level, that when I’m judging I know that I’m projecting, but it’s more than that?

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: I have to keep going more in that direction and be ... what? I guess if the judgment comes out automatically, the judgment is already made. Now I’m noticing it, but still the judgment is made already.

ELIAS: It matters not, for you have noticed.

FRANK: I have noticed and that would neutralize whatever I would see as a problem.

ELIAS: It offers you the opportunity to become familiar with these automatic expressions and these judgments, not to generate another judgment concerning the judgment, but merely notice, recognize and acknowledge what you have expressed, and therefore allow yourself to move into acceptance.

FRANK: Then the next time the automatic judgment won’t be there.

ELIAS: Not necessarily. It may be.

FRANK: But that’s not my goal.

ELIAS: And this once again is an opportunity to be expressing acceptance.

FRANK: Of that fact.

ELIAS: Correct. Acceptance is not an absolute either and is not cast in stone. For if you are accepting of one expression in one moment and you cast this in absolute, you deny your freedom. For, in another moment you may generate another experience and it may be quite similar, and once you have cast in absolute that you are finished with a particular expression, you offer yourself no more choice.

You express to yourself in one moment, “I prefer and enjoy consuming anchovies,” and you cast this in absolute. You have denied your choices. For within another moment you may choose to express, “I dislike anchovies,” and choose not to be consuming. Once you have generated the absolute, you deny your choice and your freedom, and therefore you MUST always express that same choice.

FRANK: Can you give me an example of something I’m doing objectively like that?

ELIAS: Yes. Expressing impatience at times with individuals associated with your employment and generating another judgment upon yourself that this is bad and attempting to prevent yourself from expressing that impatience and not allowing yourself the freedom of your expression.

All of your expressions are aspects of you. Therefore, regardless of whether you deem them to be good or bad expressions, they are ALL aspects of you. And what is the point? To be accepting of you. In that acceptance you offer yourself freedom to acknowledge all of these different aspects of yourself and to direct them intentionally objectively in the most beneficial expression of yourself in freedom.

FRANK: So I shouldn’t be afraid to express my impatience. In cases where I would not say something, I should say something if I felt the need to?

ELIAS: Perhaps.

FRANK: Or at least no judgment on that thought of being impatient.

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: Like I shouldn’t be impatient with this person or that person.

ELIAS: Correct, and allow yourself the opportunity to recognize what is generating that expression. What is influencing that expression in the moment?

FRANK: The expression of impatience?

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: Why am I impatient to this certain person...

ELIAS: In this moment.

FRANK: ...in the actual moment it’s happening.

ELIAS: Correct. What is motivating that expression, without judgment, merely evaluation, [and] once evaluating, acknowledging your energy, for there is an expressed energy in that impatience. There is a physical generation of energy that is occurring – acknowledging that energy and recognizing that you incorporate choice and the ability to channel that energy in different manners. You are not locked to that one.

This is the opportunity of choice: becoming familiar with your expressions as you are shifting, being aware of what you are expressing, what you are doing, acknowledging what you feel – which is a communication – and allowing yourself the choice to direct that energy, knowing that you DO incorporate choice, which is the key.

FRANK: “The choice of directing energy,” that means what? That means in my expression of it or my...

ELIAS: Yes! How you channel that energy. Your automatic response...

FRANK: Instead of judgment, it would go to just a noticing?

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: That would be the first new step, right?

ELIAS: Correct. If you are encountering another individual and that individual is expressing an action which you automatically respond to and are expressing within yourself, “No, no, no, this is incorrect! Incorporate the action in THIS manner,” this is your opportunity to stop [and] acknowledge that energy that you are expressing, for there is a strength in that energy, which is expressive of your power of yourself – not to judge that you are recognizing you are expressing this impatience, but to acknowledge the feeling and to allow yourself to pay attention, knowing that you incorporate choice.

For in NOT noticing, you follow the automatic response, and in following the automatic response, you express to the other individual in the familiar manner. You offer yourself one choice, and you do not offer yourself the recognition that you incorporate other choices and that you also incorporate the ability to channel that energy in different manners.

FRANK: What manners would they be, though?

ELIAS: Once recognizing what is motivating or triggering...

FRANK: The impatience.

ELIAS: Correct, recognize what you are actually doing. You are automatically expressing a judgment concerning the performance of another individual, and you are associating that YOU may choose better and express better than the other individual. Therefore, you are discounting their ability to create their reality efficiently, and in discounting their ability to create THEIR reality efficiently and generate their own choices regardless of whether you may be in agreement with them or not...

FRANK: And regardless of the effects that it may have to our little establishment or whatever...

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: ...because it’s all everybody’s interaction, that kind of a thing?

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: Being aware of that?

ELIAS: Correct, but recognizing what is motivating your impatience and perhaps your frustration, knowing that in the moment that you generate this judgment and you are discounting of the other individual, you are also discounting of yourself. For you project that energy, it immediately reflects to you, and you discount yourself also.

Once recognizing that and also recognizing, in your terms, your big picture of the interconnectedness of each individual’s interaction, rather than merely expressing this one choice of the familiar, “You are generating this incorrectly! Pay attention to what I am expressing to you! Generate this way!” you may channel that energy in a manner that is beneficial to you, is not discounting of the other individual, [and] that shall be received by the other individual in an efficient manner which may benefit your collective rather than incorporating obstacles.

You may express a different choice, continuing to incorporate the intensity of the energy – for this is your power, and it is powerful – but perhaps to interact with the other individual and express an acknowledgment of their choice and a SHARING of information concerning your perception, which is quite different than attempting to dictate to another individual.

FRANK: So it might be as simple as the difference of saying, “You did this wrong; do it this way!” than just expressing my concern about what I see is going on and asking them for their concern and then coming up with a joint solution. Is that kind of the way?

ELIAS: Alter the initial expression and statement, “You did this wrong.”

FRANK: So I would say, “The way you did it was this way, my concern is this, and there’s something in the middle that we can come to conclusion with.”

ELIAS: Correct – without judgment but participating, acknowledging your energy and channeling that energy in a manner which may be more efficient, intentionally.

FRANK: Knowing everything that’s going on while you’re interacting.

ELIAS: Correct. This is the benefit of shifting and discontinuing judgment.

FRANK: Okay. Thank you!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend.

FRANK: That’s a lot for a while. I think our time is up. We’ll give Michael a break.

ELIAS: I shall be anticipating our next meeting, my friend, and I may express to you an acknowledgment and encouragement in your continuation of your shifting.

FRANK: Enjoying the ride! (Laughs)

ELIAS: Very well! To you all, I express my affection and offer to you a fond au revoir.

FRANK: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 4:23 PM.

Endnotes:

(1) There was another session just previous to this one, with these participants.

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