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Friday, February 15, 2002

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ďNew Focus Manifestations: Essence Agreements; TwinsĒ

ďNo SeparationĒ

Participants: Mary (Michael), Leslie (Myranda) and Pat (Ling-Tu).

Elias arrives at 12:12 PM. (Arrival time is 24 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

LESLIE: Hi, Elias! How are you?

ELIAS: As always, and yourself?

LESLIE: Iím very good, although lately Iíve had a hard time sleeping. I think itís the energy thatís going around.

ELIAS: Correct.

LESLIE: What is that, exactly?

ELIAS: This may be recognized as another energy surge or wave that is occurring in relation to inserting this shift into your objective reality. It is a reflection of the movement of many, many, many individuals en masse.

LESLIE: Is there a way to lessen the physical discomfort of it?

ELIAS: Allowing yourself to flow with the energy rather than generating struggle or conflict with it may ease your incorporation of physical affectingness.

LESLIE: I wanted to ask you some questions about peoplesí orientations and their essence names.

ELIAS: Very well.

LESLIE: My sister, Janice?

ELIAS: And your impression?

LESLIE: You know, Elias, I hate to say that I have not studied, and so Iím ignorant.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well. (Pause) Essence name, Urrell, U-R-R-E-L-L (yore ELL); orientation, common.

LESLIE: And her essence family?

ELIAS: Essence family, Sumari; alignment, Vold.

LESLIE: Sheís been struggling with energy. She wants very badly to be a writer and she just wanted your impressions of, you know, is this something that she should follow through on. Or can you even answer that? Is that a crystal ball kind of question?

ELIAS: I may express to you, it is not concerning whether she should or should not engage this expression of creativity, but rather what she chooses and allows in trusting her expression and not discounting of her ability to be expressing her creativity in this manner.

LESLIE: When you were Oscar Wilde, did you go through those kinds of struggles? Or did you just know that you were meant to be a playwright?

ELIAS: (Laughs) I may express to you, initially, at times, that focus experienced some questioning; although I also may express to you that that focus incorporated a considerable expression of arrogance and therefore the doubt was, in your terms, short-lived. Ha ha ha!

LESLIE: (Laughs) That fits! Thank you for that, and may I ask for my sister Julieís essence name? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name (pause), Jewell, J-E-W-E-L-L (JOO uhl).

LESLIE: Her essence family?

ELIAS: Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Borledim.

LESLIE: And her orientation?

ELIAS: Orientation, common.

LESLIE: One more, if I could ask my son Timothyís Ė whose essence name is Tima Ė his essence family and his orientation? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence family, Sumari; alignment, Milumet; orientation, common.

LESLIE: Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

LESLIE: I had one question from a friend of mine, Richetta, who had had a baby by the name of Jessica who disengaged at birth, and then a year later she had another baby girl. She was curious. She has a very strong feeling that it was the same essence who disengaged and then coming back as this new focus, Blaire. I was just curious if you had any thoughts on that.

ELIAS: The impression is correct.

LESLIE: Then she said, ďWell, if thatís true, what should I do with that information?Ē

ELIAS: In what capacity?

LESLIE: Well, itís my feeling that sheís looking for a way to heal or to reconcile her feelings of loss that she lost her first baby, so itís probably just as a comforting knowledge.

ELIAS: I may express to you that this has been an expression associated with timing, so to speak. The essence chose not to be incorporated in the manifestation of the other focus.

As I have stated previously in this forum, a physical manifestation may be generated and an essence may not necessarily choose to be associated with that particular physical manifestation, in terms of your time framework, for almost two years. Therefore there may be an actual manifestation, but the agreement may not have been generated by the essence which is manifesting a new focus of attention, so to speak.

Now; what occurs in these situations is that the individual that is physically focused is manifesting the physical expression of an individual as an infant, and therefore that individual is directing the body consciousness of the infant...

LESLIE: That individual being the mother?

ELIAS: Yes, for they are generating the manifestation; for the agreement has not been engaged between the physically focused individual and the essence that is choosing to be manifesting a new focus. Therefore, the physically focused individual in relation to a want, depending upon the strength of that want, may actually generate a physical manifestation of what you...

LESLIE: Without the essence agreement?

ELIAS: Correct. And in this, the infant shall not continue in physical manifestation, for its body consciousness is not being directed by the subjective communication of another essence.

LESLIE: Itís being directed by the mother...

ELIAS: Correct.

LESLIE: ...out of sheer strength of desire.

ELIAS: Correct.

LESLIE: Oh, my sister Julie had twins born to her and one lived and one died shortly after, so itís probably a very similar situation. (Pause)

ELIAS: No. In actuality, this was the choice of the manifesting essence.

LESLIE: Is there a reason that Anna chose to disengage so quickly?

ELIAS: In that situation with the twins, this was a potential probability of choice of the manifesting essence, and the choice was expressed to not be incorporating a double focus in that type of capacity. In a manner of speaking, the essence, in your terms, considered temporarily manifesting two focuses in the same time framework in physical proximity to each other as a potential probability for experience, but chose not to be incorporating that action.

LESLIE: Do you know why that essence decided not to do that?

ELIAS: Generally speaking, my friend, in relation to essence this is not necessarily an efficient action in the incorporation of experience in exploration of this physical dimension.

In the manifestations of physical twins within your physical dimension, generally speaking these twins, regardless of whether they are manifest as what you term to be fraternal or identical twins, they are focuses of different essences that choose to be manifesting together. Essences generally do not choose to be manifesting two focuses within the same time framework in relation to each other in physical proximity or in association with family.

This is not to say that this is a rule or that essences never manifest in this manner, but generally speaking they do not for this limits the exploration of experience in diversity in relation to the focuses of attention.

LESLIE: That makes sense.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, what shall be the point to be manifesting two focuses in the same time framework, within the same family, the same environment, and quite similar experiences? For the point of exploration within this physical dimension is to be incorporating a tremendous diversity of experience, and individuals as essence may offer themselves these types of experience through counterpart action, not necessarily through physical manifestation.

LESLIE: So Claire and Anna were of the same essence?


LESLIE: Then they just decided it wasnít a good idea. It was duplicating the experience.

ELIAS: Correct.

LESLIE: Speaking of having the same essence, itís been very interesting for me to discover Anjuli, the other Myranda. I wanted to ask you, I know I experienced a lot of fear and anxiety about contacting her objectively, and I asked for your assistance in it; and then that one night, after I asked for your help, was just such a nurturing and wonderful experience. What was that, Elias? Was it just me going back to my essence?

ELIAS: Partially, and trusting of yourself and also partially an offering of my energy in supportiveness.

LESLIE: What makes your energy so wonderful?

ELIAS: (Laughs) I may express to you quite genuinely, my friend, the energy that I express is in actuality no different than what you express yourself as essence.

LESLIE: Why does it feel so wonderful when you lend your energy to me? Why does that just feel so wonderful?

ELIAS: It is an allowance that you generate in trust. You have allowed yourself an interaction with myself and you trust the acceptance that I express. You do not doubt my expression of acceptance, and therefore you allow yourself to experience the genuineness in the offering that I may express to you.

In relation to yourselves, many times you do not trust your own expressions or your own acceptance of yourselves, and therefore you do not allow that type of recognition as readily as you shall in relation to myself.

LESLIE: Is it because weíre just so hard on ourselves?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

LESLIE: Boy! Why are we that way? I mean, intellectually I know that Iím essence and that Iím love and light, but emotionally I just beat myself up all the time.

ELIAS: And this is quite associated with the influences of your beliefs.

LESLIE: Do those beliefs get passed down from society, from...? I mean, is there a way to ever escape those beliefs? They just seem so ever present in our society.

ELIAS: This is not the point, my friend. Beliefs are an integral aspect of the design of your physical dimension, and the point is not to be, in your terms, moving past them or in what I have expressed as eliminating them, but rather familiarizing yourself with them and allowing yourself choice, recognizing that you are not bound to automatic responses in relation to your beliefs, that you do incorporate belief systems in this physical dimension but you also incorporate choice. Therefore, you may choose to align with beliefs or not.

LESLIE: And you have to become conscious of those beliefs in order to make that choice.

ELIAS: In your terms, yes.

LESLIE: Can I ask you Ė and then Iím going to turn the phone over to my friend, Pat Ė but are you familiar with the Hathor dimension? (Pause)

ELIAS: Define your terminology.

LESLIE: Well, I was just reading a book that they channeled through a person in the physical dimension and... How do I define them? Theyíre just on another dimension and theyíre here to help us, or theyíre trying to help people in this dimension go through the transition with greater ease. They talk about that we can actually change our DNA.

ELIAS: And so you may, if you are so choosing.

LESLIE: It just seems that a lot of what they say resonates with how youíre trying to help people through the forum. I was just curious if youíve ever run across them in other dimensions.

ELIAS: I am understanding of what you are expressing. As I have expressed many times previously, there are MANY essences that are offering supportiveness and information in relation to this shift in consciousness.

Now; I may also express to you as I have previously with other individuals, some of the information which is being offered may be viewed as a distortion in relation to the individuals that are providing an avenue for the information.

As an example, I hold an awareness of the information that you are speaking of, but the identification of a particular naming, in your terms, of other dimensional focuses is a translation which is being expressed through the physically focused individuals within your dimension, not necessarily...

LESLIE: Is it erroneous? Are the Hathors not on a different dimension Ė is that just her interpretation?

ELIAS: This is an interpretation.

LESLIE: So what are they, do you know? Iím just curious.

ELIAS: Other essences which do incorporate, as do you also, focuses in other physical dimensions; but the energy which is being expressed is not a direct expression of information from other focuses in other physical dimensions. This is a translation.

LESLIE: I see. Okay, thank you very much, Elias.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

LESLIE: I will talk to you very soon.

ELIAS: Very well.

LESLIE: I will give the phone to Pat now.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend.

LESLIE: Bye-bye.

ELIAS: Au revoir.

PAT: Hello!

ELIAS: Greetings!

PAT: First of all, I wanted to... Oh! My friend, Melissa, essence name Adelle, said to tell you, ďHola!Ē

ELIAS: And you may express my greetings in return.

PAT: Okay, thank you. I need to ask some questions, please. My friend, Jane: may I have her essence name, please? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Frijea, F-R-I-J-E-A (free ZHAY).

PAT: Is she belonging to the Sumari family, aligned with Tumold?

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: And sheís of the soft orientation?

ELIAS: Common.

PAT: Now, has she had a focus as Louis Armstrong, the jazz musician?

ELIAS: Observing essence.

PAT: I donít know how to ask this, then. Was that focus also her father in this physical focus, Louis Armstrong?


PAT: How many shared focuses do she and I share with one another?

ELIAS: And your impression?

PAT: Ooh, I knew you were going to ask me that! (Elias laughs) Hmm, letís see. Eight? (Pause)

ELIAS: Nine.

PAT: Iím sorry?

ELIAS: Nine.

PAT: Now, my friend Jonna, I have some questions about him. His name is Jonathan, heís a 13-year-old child, who from the moment I met him it was like there was the wildest attraction, and I recognized almost immediately that he and I share something quite profound. So, may I have his essence name, please? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Caedele, C-A-E-D-E-L-E (kay DELL).

PAT: Is he belonging to the Sumari family, aligned with Ilda?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

PAT: And of common orientation?


PAT: He and I share a number of focuses, correct?


PAT: Thirteen?

ELIAS: Ah! I am acknowledging of you! You are correct.

PAT: Oh, Iím getting good, eh? (Laughs, and Elias laughs) Of those thirteen, we have shared a number of intimacy, correct?


PAT: Were we lovers or married...


PAT: a number of those?

ELIAS: Several.

PAT: Oh, man! I love him so much! I have the grooviest connection with him! It is really something. Itís really hit me, because I have often identified connections with other focuses yet usually they are adults, and this was like the first time I ever felt such a strong connection in intimacy with someone who was a child. It really has been wonderful. (Elias chuckles)

He right now is creating a cancer called Ewingís sarcoma, and I am intimately involved with him, visiting him and spending time with him, and lending energy in the sense of just acknowledging that it is a creation of his and not judging it, and being playful and having fun with him. So that is beneficial, correct, for the both of us?


PAT: Okay, good. Thank you!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

PAT: I just wanted to know that.

All right now, Vicki/Lawrence, I need to ask you: I shared a focus with her as her mother, correct?


PAT: Yes, I felt that immediately. There was a whole sense of comfort between the two of us. And weíve also shared a focus as male fur-trappers, right? (Giggles)


PAT: (Giggling) I know, that was so funny, because we were both men and we were hard drinkiní, smokiní, we both had teeth missing, we loved to fight with other people! It was just so much fun when I caught that glimpse! (Laughs and Elias laughs) And I love that! That was really wonderful.

And letís see... Oh, okay, how about this? Sometimes I get the sensation of moving in a fast-forward motion while Iím standing still or sitting. What is that?

ELIAS: This is merely imagery that you present to yourself in an actual physical experience that reflects movement inwardly that you are generating in different time frameworks in moments, so to speak, in which you are allowing yourself a type of surge of movement in what may be recognized as a rapid movement in association with allowance of yourself and widening your awareness.

PAT: Yeah, I like it! I always pick really cool ways of doing that, where I get really great sensations from it. (Elias laughs) I love that so much! Very playful for me and Iím really enjoying it, so thank me! (Elias laughs)

Hey, may I ask you about a dream?

ELIAS: You may.

PAT: Well, it really wasnít a dream. It was a journey and it was long, and it involved three separate segments, is how I viewed it.

The first part, I was aware of myself in a working environment with a woman who is my boss, Julie, essence name Emmeral, and we were working together but in a different place. It was like a non-profit type working environment, working with women and teenage girls. Then I find myself leaving that worksite, going down this very wide staircase that was carpeted, with a brass and glass banister, in a two-story building that had glass on two sides of it. Hanging in the foyer was a large sculpture that was really a two-part sculpture. I believe it was made of clay, recessed clay was the material used. The first part of the sculpture was a large star shape with a hole in the center in which hung a prism or crystal, and then the second part of the sculpture was in the shape of a Spanish-style guitar made out of the same material, but the guitar had no strings on it. They were both suspended from the ceiling in what appeared to be some very strong yet invisible cable. When the sun comes around the building and hits this prism, it shoots light out of that prism which creates the colored light-rays which create the strings of the guitar in this sculpture. Do you understand? Can you see that?


PAT: Okay! First of all, I have to say I remember feeling just this incredible sense of joy that I worked somewhere that held that sculpture. I also felt that somehow I created that or it was created through sound, constructed through sound and that I had something to do with it, or maybe it was just being aware of the fact that I was creating the dream imagery. Yet I also got the sensation that it was also an actual, physical place. (Pause)

ELIAS: Continue.

PAT: I also wondered whether or not Ė and this is an aside Ė I wondered whether or not it was in the City.

ELIAS: You are correct.

PAT: Man, it felt beautiful and wonderful, and I was obsessed with attempting to recreate that once I woke up. For days I wanted to draw pictures and my hands itched. I wanted to make it, to actually physically create it here. It was amazing and wonderful! (Elias laughs) I talked about it for days. It was really great.

Then I continued on with this dream imagery, I guess, where I then leave and go to a store to buy some wine. There are two women, one is angry at the other one over the fact that there were only three bottles of wine there. The one gal was supposed to take two of them and instead she only took one and I took the third. The one woman started to fight with the other woman about it, and so I said, ďHey, donít fight about it,Ē and I gave her my bottle of wine because I just didnít feel that it was that big of a deal.

There was a bar in this store, and I sat down and I drank a glass of the wine that I had just given the woman the bottle of, because the bartender had some behind the bar. The bartender and I talked of wine, and then I left that area of the store and I walked into the produce section. All of a sudden I hear a commotion and someone bumps into me, and I turn around and itís my father, the man who was my father in this focus, who disengaged in 1980. He doesnít recognize me, but tells me heís being chased by two women and he says to me, ďDonít tell them.Ē Then these women run up and they catch him and they grab him and theyíre trying to take him away, and I tell them, ďStop it! Now, stop for a moment right here! This is my father!Ē And we had thought he was dead, you know? And I said, ďDad! Where have you been? We all thought you were dead since 1980!Ē I keep telling these women as theyíre trying to drag him away, ďStop it! I need to talk with him! My whole family thinks heís dead! Where have you been?Ē They tell me, no, that he is in a Catholic institution for mental problems and he doesnít know who he is, and I realize that these two women are Catholic nuns. So I keep trying to stop them and get them to tell me where theyíre taking him but they wonít tell me, so I give them my phone number and I tell them that they have to call me because my familyís going to want to know where he is.

Anyway, I need to say this also: even though he did not recognize me, it was so cool to look in his eyes again. (Emotionally) It was very emotional for me because they were so beautiful. So will you tell me what that is, please? Itís me though, right?

ELIAS: Offer your impression to myself, my friend.

PAT: That it was just all information that I was giving me that one doesnít ever really die, and that when I was looking into his eyes I was really looking into my own.

ELIAS: Partially. I may express to you, you have generated this imagery to offer yourself information concerning death and the beliefs associated with it that influence this strength in expression of separation.

PAT: Because Iím working on that right now. I know that I am really very powerfully working on the issue of separation, because I have offered myself so many instances, Elias, recently, where I am... Letís see, that I have made friends with a kid on a bus, on the bus that I take every day, named Everett, and he and I have struck up a friendship on the bus. I was telling Leslie/Myranda the story of my really great friendship with him. I showed her his picture, and he goes to the same school as her son, Timothy/Tima. She went home and asked him if he knew this boy Everett, and come to find out theyíre in the same club together as buddies! So there was that incidence of showing, you know what I mean? Iíve done a number of those recently, so Iím really working on showing myself there is no separation, right?

ELIAS: Correct, and therefore you are also offering yourself imagery concerning the veil of separation that is expressed in relation to individuals participating in physical focus and those that have disengaged or have incorporated the choice of death.

I may express to you also, the actions of one individual, the choice of one individual, ripples outward, so to speak, and is quite influencing of the movement of many other individuals. In Lawrenceís choice to be disengaging, there has been generated a tremendous response of many other individuals continuing within physical focus in allowing themselves to address to this expression of separation and offering themselves information concerning the influence of their individual beliefs, and therefore generating a mass movement in association with many individuals in thinning this veil of separation.

PAT: Hmm, okay. When I looked into my fatherís eyes, was that him or was that me?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, both. For you are generating the imagery of the other individual and also allowing yourself to incorporate an expression of that individualís energy, but it is also a projection of you in imagery.

PAT: Iíll have to ponder that for a while when I get my tape! (Elias laughs) So, I am continuing in terms... I am still feeling that acceleration of my own movement.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: And thatís true, right?


PAT: I continue to be just joyful and really enjoying myself a lot in that exploration. Iíve been aware of you lending me energy also, and I want to thank you for that.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

PAT: I also wanted to ask, and I spoke with Michael about this before I talked to you, is my relationship with both focuses of Myranda, because I have a relationship and interaction with both of them, is that also my movement in understanding the no separation thing? Is that why Iím involved with the two of them?

ELIAS: Yes, in relation to your individual movement and exploration.

PAT: Thatís what I wondered. Itís really interesting for me to see two different focuses of the same essence. I also get a sense that it is my movement towards my relationship with myself as essence.


PAT: We had talked about that in my last session with you, about my identification with myself as Ling-Tu...


PAT: ...which I have felt much more. Iím allowing that, Iím allowing myself to move closer and closer to that sense.

ELIAS: Yes, I am understanding. This offers you the opportunity to objectively view different expressions of one essence and the expression of energy which incorporates a sameness and a difference simultaneously, therefore allowing you more of an objective understanding concerning yourself as essence, that you incorporate many different focuses of attention and manifestations, but they are all you and express the sameness as essence but the difference in individuality of focuses of attentions.

PAT: Is that because I have, through my trying to understand that, have some fear that I would be lost?

ELIAS: Yes. This is quite commonly expressed by individuals within your physical dimension, which I have discussed previously in relation to the exploration of different focuses of yourself, that at times this may be generating a temporary threat to the individual identity, so to speak.

PAT: Right, so thatís my allowance of that?


PAT: My own movement, so that I can... Because my desire, as weíve talked about before, is to move closer and drop that veil.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: Oh, good! (Laughs) Then Iím glad to know Iím doing it! (Elias chuckles)

So, letís see, is there anything else I want to... Oh yeah, you know what? I am openly speaking about my interaction with you to people at work, in public, on the bus, in my family and all that. My question is, I donít believe that I am doing that in any kind of an intrusive manner, but I guess I discount myself and wonder. I do get a sense sometimes and I back off if I feel like itís threatening.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and in this merely allow yourself to incorporate an awareness of your expression, recognizing that you are merely expressing yourself and not attempting to be convincing other individuals.

PAT: I guess thatís my question, because it felt like thatís what Iím doing, and I do so because Iím joyous about it, you know?

ELIAS: I am understanding.

PAT: So Iím just going to continue to do that.

ELIAS: Very well!

PAT: Iíve also had like a burst of creativity in the area of art, artistic expression. I have this idea for a bracelet that... Because Iím trying to keep myself in the now moment, do you know the bracelet Iím talking about?

ELIAS: I am aware of the energy that you are expressing.

PAT: What does that mean?

ELIAS: The physical manifestation matters not, and I am aware of the energy that you are expressing.

PAT: Oh, okay, I understand. So my creation of that bracelet in an attempt to market that is my choice...

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: ...but is there a probability of that being successful?

ELIAS: This is your choice also.

PAT: So my asking you if Iím leaning in that direction, is that crystal ball and youíre going to say, ďWhatís your impression?Ē

ELIAS: Correct!

PAT: (Laughs) Boy, you just donít give me anything! (Elias laughs) I know itís because I donít want you to, darn it! (Laughs and Elias chuckles) I suppose thatís all...

ELIAS: Very well, my friend.

PAT: ...for me today. I do love you so, and I guess Iíll see you in June at the group session.

ELIAS: Very well! I shall be anticipating our meeting and...

PAT: Oh, Leslie/Myranda has asked me to ask you, did she have a session with you in her sleep the other night, two weeks ago?

ELIAS: An interaction, not necessarily what you term to be a session. Ha ha!

PAT: Iím sorry?

ELIAS: Not necessarily what you term to be a session, but...

PAT: Not necessarily what we term to be a session, but it was an interaction?


PAT: (To Leslie) Yes, you did. Well, thank you so much, Elias!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend.

PAT: And we do love you.

ELIAS: And I offer my affection to you also; I shall be anticipating our next meeting. To you this day, au revoir.

PAT: Au revoir to you also.

Elias departs at 1:10 PM.

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