Tuesday, July 20, 1999
“The Challenge of Focusing Upon Self”
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Katie (Muriel).
Elias arrives at 11:55 AM. (Arrival time is 24 seconds.)
KATIE: Greetings and bon jour, my friend!
ELIAS: Ah, bon jour! (Chuckling) And you are creating quite efficiently recently?
KATIE: Yes, I am! It’s been wonderful! I’m really enjoying this!
ELIAS: And I am quite encouraging of your movement presently!
KATIE: I’m wondering, what has precipitated this?
ELIAS: You. (Chuckling)
KATIE: Okay, but what changed?
ELIAS: You. (Chuckling)
KATIE: Okay, in what area?
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! You have begun movement into a genuine expression of turning your attention more to self and not occupying your attention so intensely with other individuals, and in this, you are beginning to create evidences objectively.
As you genuinely turn your attention to self, you shall recognize that what you are creating within your focus becomes much more effortless and you are beginning to be creating pleasure, for as you are not occupying your attention intensely with the preoccupation of other individuals’ creations and how you may be helpful to other individuals and how you may be influencing of their reality, and you turn your attention to self and begin trusting in self, you also begin moving more efficiently in the direction of pleasure, which is your natural expression, and you naturally magnate in this direction to less of a thickness within energy. This provides much more of an ease of your individual movement, and you also create the situation of pleasant feelings, emotions, and sensations that shall be occurring within this type of movement.
As I have expressed previously, effortlessness is not the lack of action or movement. It is merely the designation that the particular movement and action that you choose shall be implemented easily and with less thickness.
KATIE: Well, I’ve certainly been experiencing far less thickness lately! (Elias chuckles) But just prior to that, I went through a period where I was so fatigued and so unmotivated that I couldn’t do anything, it seemed.
ELIAS: This is also quite common within physical focus.
As you are directing your attention in extremes outwardly, you DO experience fatigue, and also you may experience this to the point of exhaustion in your physical manifestations. The reason that you experience this, as I have offered previously, is that you are moving through energy within a thickness that you may liken to mud. In this, you exert much energy and there is much friction which is occurring within all of your movements.
Eventually, generally speaking, individuals tire of this action. They create an exhaustion within themselves, and at that point they may hold a willingness to discontinue their movement in this manner, and a willingness to choose exploration into genuinely trusting self and moving into an area of self-expression and viewing self, and allowing self to be motivating as opposed to being motivated, so to speak, by situations, circumstances, and other individuals outside of self, in a manner of speaking.
Once moving into this type of expression, you are quite pleasantly surprised that your movement may be created so very easily and is not requiring of so very much effort, and you may be creating pleasure and much less of a thickness within your movement of energy, and this reinforces your ability to continue in this manner.
The situation with most individuals is – within my interaction of them – is directing their attention to the point that they choose to be moving to that step of ease, for you all hold to the familiar quite tightly. Regardless that it may be requiring of much effort and thickness, it is familiar, and therefore you cling to these types of movements and expressions and are quite resistant of the offering of ease. Quite ironic, is it not?
KATIE: It certainly is! (Laughing)
ELIAS: Ha ha ha!
KATIE: It certainly is. I wish I understood that, why we do that, but oh well!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! I offer to you and to many, many individuals within physical focus expressions continuously in directing your attention into areas of effortlessness, and generally speaking, you look to myself and you express, “No, no, no, no! I shall continue within my effort, and I shall continue to be moving through the mud. Although I recognize that you are offering the direction of moving through air, this is more familiar and comfortable to me, to be moving through the mud, for I may miss a mud ball if I am leaving my mud puddle!” (Katie cracks up) Ha ha!
KATIE: Uh-huh! (Still cracking up)
ELIAS: HA HA!
KATIE: I’ve seen lots of mud balls! (They both laugh again)
I’m thinking that the point at which things started turning around was, my friend Tom was aware of the depths of the mud puddle I was kicking around in, and I would write to him over the computer, and all he would write back to me is, “Katie, trust yourself.” And one of those times, I actually listened! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) Is that the point where things did start turning around?
ELIAS: Yes. (Chuckling)
KATIE: And he was lending energy to me in that?
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
KATIE: Okay. I’ve got pages and pages of questions here, which is why I requested a longer session.
You had talked with Tom – in a session with him – about an energy exchange between he and I because of an ease in sharing energy within recognition of shared focuses, or something to that effect. I have a great deal of interaction with Tom subjectively that I’m very much aware of, and I’m really curious about a lot of it. He won’t tell me much. He’s told me some things, but I’m wondering on this business about shared focuses because I only know of four shared focuses with him, two of which were only acquaintances. Are there more that I don’t know about that perhaps are in other dimensions, or is the number of shared focuses irrelevant in this?
ELIAS: I shall express to you that at times the numbering of shared focuses is relevant and at times it is not relevant. It is dependent upon the choice of the essences and the direction that they are choosing in their movement of exploration of experiences. Now; I shall also offer to you that you do hold other focuses together, and these would be other-dimensional focuses.
Let me express to you in this that not merely your focuses within this particular dimension are affecting of you in each focus that you experience. Within essence, it matters not any distinction between physical dimensions. They are all creations and manifestations for experiences within physical dimensions. Therefore, they are all, in a manner of speaking, interchangeable. Although you do not interchange, so to speak, physically, within energy there IS an exchange that occurs within all focuses of all dimensions physically.
In this, we focus many times upon the influences of experiences and energy exchange between focuses within each dimension singularly for the reason that this holds more of an ease in your understanding.
In objective terms, you hold the ability to be translating of experiences through time elements, language elements, cultural elements, and these do not create a barrier for your objective understanding and assessment, so to speak, whereas in the introduction of energy exchanges which occur interdimensionally, there are differences which create a certain type of barrier within your understanding. Therefore, other-dimensional focuses are not referred to as often within the forum of these sessions and individuals’ questioning.
I may express to you presently that you do hold focuses within other physical dimensions with this individual, and this is also influencing as to your interconnectedness and the ease that you lend to each other within this particular focus in conjunction with this shift. But as you are aware, I also do not offer much information as to the realities of these other-dimensional focuses, for within your understanding there are barriers, for these realities are far removed from what you hold in objective recognition within this dimension.
All that you assess within your reality in this dimension – be it physical, nonphysical, within this dimension, within other physical dimensions, within consciousness, it matters not – ALL that you connect to and assess within your objective awareness in this dimension is filtered through your concepts and your reality in this dimension. Therefore, regardless of certain explanations that I offer to you in relation to elements outside of this dimension, they are translated within your thought processes into elements that you may understand.
This is, in a manner of speaking, a distortion many times, for what you evaluate and what you perceive as being a reality in relation to other areas of consciousness is a filtration through a translation of your understanding in this particular dimension. All of your reality in this dimension is relative to this dimension, in a manner of speaking, for it is all translated through your perception within this dimension.
Therefore, I express to you that you ARE quite influenced by other-dimensional focuses, not necessarily in experiences that may be translatable and relevant, so to speak, to the experiences that you hold in this dimension, but merely in the interaction and the interconnectedness and relationships that you hold within other dimensions. Are you understanding?
KATIE: Yes, I am.
ELIAS: This lends energy to you both, which may be translated into this particular physical dimension and reconstructed to be lending an ease in your exchange with each other objectively and subjectively, which lends more of an ease to each of you within your movement in connection with this shift in consciousness.
KATIE: Well, it’s really funny. When I met Tom, I was on this long trip around the country, and on this trip I met a great number of very close friends and close family, and of everyone I met on the trip, I knew Tom the least. I just barely knew him. I’d only chatted with him online maybe a dozen times over a period of a couple of months, and when I met him in person, of all the people that I saw on that trip, he was the only one that I literally ran up to with a hug. He did the same. It just feels like there’s a whole lot more connection there than I experience with most other people ... I mean, to an extreme. I feel him around me out-of-body a lot, and I want to ask some things about that.
ELIAS: (Interrupting) Let me express to you, Muriel, that in these situations, you may be very interconnected with another essence in merely ONE focus that may be very influencing of one other focus.
Are you understanding thus far?
ELIAS: In this, it matters not that you hold numbers of focuses shared within this dimension or within other dimensions.
You may encounter an individual physically focused objectively in which you hold one hundred focuses and interact with each other in intimate relationships, and you shall not necessarily experience a tremendous draw to this individual within a particular focus.
Conversely, you may hold ONE focus with another individual, and you may experience a tremendous draw to that particular individual IN ONE FOCUS, and this is dependent upon the type of energy exchange of focuses that is occurring and that holds a relationship to the direction of each focus and the creations and movements of each focus. Some focuses parallel some other focuses.
Some focuses, as I have stated previously in this forum, move in the direction of – figuratively speaking – a story, in which you create within essence the movement of one focus as a chapter, so to speak, in the story, and another focus shall continue as another chapter, and another focus may continue as another chapter. Therefore, they may not appear successive within your linear time framework, although many times they do, but this is not a requirement.
But within the creations – within the direction – of each of these focuses, they are interrelated and they are creating scenarios that are facilitating of certain movements in a certain direction. Therefore, the players in the scenario may experience tremendous draws to each other as they objectively recognize each other and offer themselves the opportunity to be objectively interacting with each other.
Now; within this particular time framework of your physical dimension, this particular action is occurring quite commonly for several reasons.
One reason is that individuals, within the movement of this shift in consciousness, are allowing themselves the openness and the widening of awareness to objectively perceive, recognize, and connect to their interconnectedness with other individuals associated with other focuses. This is occurring regardless of individuals’ belief systems or what types of information they avail themselves of.
It matters not that they may be quite religious, that they may be moving into metaphysical thought processes, that they may be holding certain influences of cultural aspects, that they may hold ANY type of philosophy within their focus – it matters not, for the movement of the shift is occurring throughout your globe and is affecting of each and every individual upon your planet.
Therefore, many individuals within this time framework are allowing themselves more of an openness within consciousness – OBJECTIVELY within their awareness – and allowing themselves to be experiencing the knowing of these draws to other individuals that you identify objectively in physical terms as strangers.
Now; many individuals do not avail themselves of information that may hold an explanation to them as to why they experience this tremendous draw with another individual. Therefore, they may assess this type of experience as appearing to them as being quite strange, but nonetheless, they are experiencing this type of action.
Another reason that this type of situation is occurring more and more with individuals within this particular dimension presently is directly associated with the shift in consciousness itself.
(Intently) For in the movement of the insertion of this Source Event into your physical dimension – into the expressions of individual and mass events – there has been, in physical terms, preparation in anticipation of the movement and the creation of this shift in consciousness. Therefore, there have been many focuses created by essences in this chapter-by-chapter form, figuratively speaking.
Therefore, you may or may not hold many focuses with another individual in this particular dimension, but you may experience regardless this type of draw to another individual, and in this, those individuals that you experience this type of intensity of draw to are interconnected with you in a manner that shall be facilitating certain types of energy exchanges that lend to your expressions and your directions within this particular focus, in conjunction with your movement of widening awareness in relation to this shift in consciousness.
In this situation that you are experiencing, there are other-dimensional focuses which are also influencing in energy, which are not directly lending energy to the facilitation of this shift in consciousness within your focus, but lend subjective information to you in this focus that shall offer a translatable element of information, which facilitates an ease of your acceptance of certain types of experiences which may be foreign, in a manner of speaking, to you presently, which are directly associated with this shift in consciousness, but are also, in some respects, natural expressions in other physical dimensions. Are you following?
ELIAS: Therefore, you lend each other energy subjectively through other-dimensional focuses – which lends to your ability objectively to be accepting of what you would term to be new experiences within your present focus – and you draw to each other objectively in the sense or the feeling of connectedness, not for the reason of tremendous numbers of shared focuses within this particular dimension physically, but in relation to the chapter-by-chapter experiences of physical focuses. In this, it also matters not that you hold tremendous interaction objectively in certain other focuses within this dimension, for it is the direction of those particular focuses which holds importance and which is influencing of this particular focus.
Let me express to you in relation to this subject matter, there are many individuals physically focused presently within your globe that also, in your linear terms, held presence and interaction of focuses within the time framework of a particular focus in your eighteenth century, your time framework of your 1700’s, and movement into your nineteenth century, in the beginning throes.
In this time framework, as you are aware, I held physical manifestation, and this was one of those types of focuses – a chapter focus, so to speak. This particular focus in this present time framework is another chapter focus for all of those individuals that were manifest within that particular focus and held any interaction with each other or with myself.
In this, these individuals may not have held tremendous objective interaction with each other in that focus. They may have merely objectively met one another and held no relation to each other physically at all, so to speak, but the one meeting was the physical contact point, so to speak, allowing for a remembrance and also allowing for an objective sense, so to speak, of connection within this particular focus, offering a slight element of objective remembrance and creating a draw within this particular focus to be accessing this forum and interaction with this information.
KATIE: Was that one of the focuses that I knew you in as an acquaintance?
KATIE: Okay. Was this the focus of Beethoven?
KATIE: No? Hmmm. Interesting. I haven’t connected very much with my focuses in that time period, at least not any in Europe.
ELIAS: Many individuals do not, and this matters not. The connection objectively was created. Regardless of the length or the briefness of the objective connection, it has served its purpose, so to speak, in lending energy to this focus and allowing the creation of objective draw to this information.
KATIE: Is this a similar kind of thing as what is going on with Tom and me and with my family and with this whole thing revolving around his focus of Alexander?
KATIE: Okay, ’cause I seem to be meeting a lot of people that were connected with that particular focus of his. I even met Alexander in a dream once, and that was pretty interesting. Was that within the city? (Pause)
KATIE: No? Okay. (Pause)
Okay, back to this business with Tom. He has told me that there is what he calls a “light-body” that is with me all of the time, and that it is an extension of himself that acts independently of him on occasion, and I feel this light-body around me a lot. He’s also told me that there’s a light-body of mine that is around him all of the time, and he is able to see it, feel it, hear it, I mean everything, objectively. I’m curious about what this light-body thing is.
ELIAS: This is a translation in the designation of terms, in a manner of speaking. It is a creation of term to be offering an explanation or an identification of an aspect of self.
As I have stated many times, there are countless you’s of you.
Now; in this, as a whole, so to speak, there is a tremendous interconnectedness, and therefore none of the elements, none of the you’s, in a manner of speaking, move not in conjunction with any of the other you’s of you. These are all of the aspects of you within one focus. This is not the entirety of essence. This is merely the manifestation of one focus and all of the aspects that are associated with that one focus. In this, you may be manipulating energy within your focus to be directing of very many aspects of you in very many different directions.
Now; the action of this is quite similar to the action that you accept as occurring within nonphysical areas of consciousness.
You look to myself as an essence within nonphysical areas of consciousness and you accept the concept that I may be interactive and present in many, many, many different areas and situations simultaneously. This is not difficult for you to conceptualize. You do not entirely assess this concept as a reality or hold an entire understanding of this, but you accept this concept and you do not question its reality.
In like manner, you within physical focus are continuously creating the same type of action, but you do not think in these terms. You think of yourself as being a singular entity. Therefore, you also think to yourselves – and believe – that if you are projecting through consciousness, you are projecting yourself – that you identify as you, this singular entity – away from the physical vessel of your body into other areas, but you do not view yourself as projecting into many, many, many areas simultaneously and interacting in all of these areas and situations simultaneously, for you are directing your attention singularly. But in actuality, your reality moves quite similarly within physical focus as it moves within nonphysical focus. In this, you are merely focusing your attention singularly. Therefore, you view yourself as one singular entity and all of your projections as one singular entity.
Now; in this, it is quite common that individuals may be projecting energy in the manner of an aspect of themself, of their focus, to be interactive with another individual and not hold their directed attention within that aspect, for as I have spoken previously, you direct your attention in singular manner. Therefore, you create what we term to be a primary aspect. This is the aspect that you recognize as you, which you recognize as creating of your emotional qualities, your thought processes, your movements objectively, subjectively, and within all of your reality. This is your primary aspect. This is not to say that all of your other aspects are not equally involved and active within your focus. They merely do not hold your primary attention, your focus of attention.
Therefore, within your focus, you may be projecting many different aspects of yourself in many different directions, and you may, dependent upon the amount of attention you turn to any one of those aspects, hold an awareness of their interactions, of their movements, of their creations, and you may express to yourself and to other individuals that they seem to be creating independently of you at certain times. In actuality, in one respect you may express that they are creating independently, for each aspect holds the ability to be creating of its individual choices, but in another respect it is not independent, for it is intimately interconnected and IT IS YOU.
In this, I have expressed previously the analogy, in comparison to the idea, of different aspects of one focus to be different aspects of YOU, which are you and may not be separated from you, but hold different qualities. I have expressed at times that you may view these different aspects of you in like manner to different emotions that you express. All of these different emotions that you identify are all you. They are all expressions of you and may not be separated from you, but they are all different expressions of you and are not necessarily primarily expressed simultaneously objectively. You do not express anger and joyfulness simultaneously objectively. You choose one or another. Therefore you create a primary expression in like manner to the primary aspect, which is your primary attention and direction of your focus.
You may also liken these different aspects of self in comparison to all of the molecules and all of the cells that make up your physical form, your physical body. All of your physical cells are an element of you. They all move in cooperation with each other to be the expression which creates the projection of your physical form. One may not be removed from your physical form and be projected as you singularly, but one may be removed from you and it shall hold all of the encoding of you. It may not be identified as another individual or belonging to another individual, for it holds your signature. In like manner, all of the aspects of you hold your energy signature. They are all you.
Therefore, in this, the terminology of “light-body” is merely your physical identification of an aspect of self, and I express to you that he is correct in his identification of his recognition of the projection of one aspect of self that may hold physical presence with you each.
KATIE: Okay. Some of the interactions have been of a more intimate nature. I’ve asked Tom about this a number of times too. Sometimes he tells me it’s simply the way the energy translates within me. Other times he makes it clear that yes, he’s there, objectively aware, and that is his intention, and then other times he’s told me that it’s not him at all, but a projection of my own energy made to feel like him. Are all of these true at different times? (Pause)
KATIE: Okay. How can I tell when it’s my own projection?
ELIAS: Let me express to you, you may identify your manifestations of certain expressions by – once again – their energy signature. You may identify this energy signature through different methods, so to speak ... as you are so very fond of methods!
In this, within the moment that you are experiencing certain expressions of energy, you may assess to yourself, in exploration, what YOU are engaging within your focus within that particular time framework. At times, you may be creating of an energy expression yourself and you may be identifying it in other terms, as this may be comforting to you and this may offer you a quietness and a feeling of acceptance, which you within your focus recognize in that moment that you may be needing of, in a manner of speaking ... for in actuality, there is no thing that you are needing of, but within your perception in physical terms, you DO perceive that you hold needs at times.
In this, as you project energy and identify it in other terms, as not the expression of self, you may recognize that it is or is not your creation of your own expression by examining the elements of your focus within that immediate time framework, for you shall project to you the fulfillment of your needs immediately. You shall respond to you in whatever manner is efficient to yourself in accomplishing of fulfilling the direction that you are attending to in an immediate manner.
Therefore, at times, you may be experiencing a connection of energy in any certain type of expression, and it may appear to you to be expressed within a time framework that is unexpected, so to speak. It seems in your objective awareness to be completely unrelated to your creations objectively, and it may appear to you objectively to not be consistent with your creations within the moment.
Now, be remembering that in this investigation of this type, you need be also examining quite intricately your creations within your focus, for some of your creations are underlying and may not appear quite as obvious objectively as other creations. But in these situations that I have just expressed, it shall be easy for you to identify that the energy expression may be a projection from another individual.
Whereas within your expressions of energy to yourself, initially, objectively, it may appear in the same manner, but as you begin to assess the creation and evaluate the creations within your objective expressions within that time framework in relation to many different directions, you may offer yourself the identification that the expression may be in that moment an expression offered to you by self to be reinforcing or validating or comforting to you, and it shall choose the most efficient manner to be comforting to you, and in this, if you are experiencing the feeling of affinity with respect to another individual, you may choose this type of expression to offer to yourself, recognizing your own willingness to accept those types of expressions from another individual more readily than you may accept the nurturing from self.
KATIE: Okay. That makes it a lot clearer. Let me ask you this. Has the majority of the time been my own projection? (Pause)
ELIAS: More of the expressions are expressions from self than actual projections from this other individual, and this is also quite common and another indication that you may look to.
Other individuals do not necessarily project expressions of self to another individual objectively very often. This is a less frequent action which occurs, even within quite interconnected individuals. They are not projecting objective expressions to each other continuously or in what you may term to be often expressions.
KATIE: Okay. But there was this type of exchange and projection going on prior to us meeting objectively, wasn’t there?
ELIAS: Correct. Now in this also, as you DO hold these expressions of energy projections of aspects of self in relation to each other, which holds presence with each other, this may also be translated into these types of experiences, for the aspect which is projected to you may lend an element of its energy signature to be reinforcing of your expression of energy to yourself, and in this, you may at times hold a slight confusion in identifying the expression of self and the expression projected by this individual. There may appear to be an element that feels like this individual, in your terms. This is continued to be an expression of self. It is merely being lent a reinforcement by that aspect which connects itself with you within your physical proximity.
KATIE: Okay. As long as we’re talking about projections of energy, I’m not sure whether it’s something separate or not, but I generally feel your energy as a tingly, tickly feeling all over, kind of like I have fleas. It’s really pretty amusing! But sometimes coupled with that and sometimes separately from that, I feel an energy that feels like fingers stroking on my face. Is this a different projection? Is this something else? (Pause)
ELIAS: This type of energy expression that you are experiencing at times is an openness that you allow yourself in experiencing a physical expression of energy projection connected to other essences that facilitate this energy exchange; not singularly the energy projected by myself, but the relation of these other essences which also lend energy to the facilitation of this energy exchange.
It may be allowed in experience at different times, not necessarily in conjunction with your objective meeting and speaking with myself within the forum of a session, but at other times also. It matters not. It is merely an opening, so to speak, of a momentary time framework in which you allow yourself an openness to the energy of these other essences also.
KATIE: Okay. I do feel it quite often when I’m not even thinking about the transcripts or sessions or anything of that nature. I’ll just feel it spontaneously.
I have a bunch of other questions I want to ask. They’re much shorter ones! (Elias chuckles) First of all, the number of 44 focuses that you gave me, in this dimension, are they only representing one personality tone of my essence? (Pause)
KATIE: Okay. How many total focuses are there of my essence in this dimension? (Pause)
KATIE: 802? Ooo, I am an old soul! (Elias chuckles) How many personality tones are there? (Pause)
ELIAS: This may be innumerable.
KATIE: Okay. I take it there’s some crossover of personality tones within focuses, or an overlapping?
ELIAS: Identify your definition of personality tone, for within any one particular physical focus, you may hold countless aspects of personality tone.
KATIE: Okay, that makes more sense then. Is this also true of the number that you gave my daughter, of four focuses? (Pause)
ELIAS: As focuses that may be easily connected to, correct.
KATIE: Okay. How many does she have total in this dimension?
ELIAS: Within this particular dimension, 36.
KATIE: Wow, okay. You know, when you told me 44 the first time, I was really kind of surprised, because I really had a strong feeling that it was more in the several hundreds, so I wish that I had called you on that initially, because 44 never felt right. The faces and the voices that I hear ... I mean, there’s so many, many more of them than just 44. That just never did fit, but had I been trusting self, I probably would have called you on it, wouldn’t I? (Elias chuckles)
Also, I’ve recently connected with Mikah.
ELIAS: Ah, yes.
KATIE: We happened to find each other online, apparently by accident, seemingly by accident.
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! And there are no accidents!
KATIE: Of course not, and we recognized that right off. Apparently we share a focus around Alexander as well. But I’m wondering, was there a little bit of a counterpart action going on between Mikah and I? (Pause)
ELIAS: You have created this action, but this is discontinued.
KATIE: Okay, okay. That’s kind of what I thought. Also, he had an impression that we have at least one other shared focus together, one of siblings. (Pause)
KATIE: Can you tell me the time frame and location of that? (Pause)
ELIAS: (Chuckling) I have offered one in information to Mikah. I shall offer another to you.
KATIE: Okay. Oh, did he ask about this recently?
ELIAS: I shall offer to you a focus in your physical location of what you identify now as Canada, holding a relationship of what you would term to be intimate friends. These individuals are not immigrants to this continent, but are what you term to be natives to this continent.
KATIE: What time period is this in?
ELIAS: This would be within the time period of 1300’s, early throes.
KATIE: Okay. Would this be in a northern part of Canada or on the western side of Canada?
KATIE: Okay. Okay, also in talking with Mikah and sharing some of my experiences with him, he suggested that I might be a dispersed essence. I did a little reading on it in the transcripts, and I’m thinking I probably am. Is this correct? (Pause)
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
KATIE: Cool. Okay, that really explained a lot when I was reading about that. Do my son Aldo and I have other shared focuses besides this one and the one around Alexander?
KATIE: Okay. What was the nature of these relationships? (Pause)
ELIAS: You hold several different focuses in which you hold different types of relationships. You hold friendships, and you also hold family relationships with each other. You also hold several focuses in which you hold acquaintance to each other in brief manner.
KATIE: Okay. And I have other shared focuses with my daughter too, don’t I?
KATIE: Is there one in which she was my mother? (Pause)
ELIAS: Not mother. This would be the identification of what you term to be a wet nurse, but holding the relationship in like manner to a mother.
KATIE: Okay. It’s really funny. In our relationship now, it often feels like our roles are reversed, and so I’m thinking that must be a bleed-through.
ELIAS: You are correct. This also is quite common within physical focus, this being an element that displays itself in interaction with individuals that create manifestations with each other in reverse roles. Many times, there is an element of objective identification in behaviors in these types of expressions.
KATIE: Okay. Let’s see. As long as we’re talking about other focuses, I want to get some confirmations. I connected with a black woman that lived in the early part of this century, until about the 50’s, in southern Alabama. Is this another focus of mine?
KATIE: And was she a prostitute early in her life?
ELIAS: Within a brief time framework.
KATIE: Okay. Was she also a blues singer at some point in her life?
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
KATIE: Okay, and is one of the places that she lived the town of Euphala?
KATIE: Briefly, okay. And was this a shared focus with my friend Steve? (Pause)
KATIE: Was he a lover or a pimp or something along that line?
ELIAS: An acquaintance.
KATIE: An acquaintance, okay. What is her name? (Pause)
KATIE: How do you spell that?
KATIE: Okay, I’m not sure I heard the first letter of that. Was the first letter A?
KATIE: M! Okay, Maya! Interesting. I also have an impression that she was in Birmingham around the time she disengaged, and is probably buried there. Is that so?
KATIE: Wow! I got a lot on that one! Cool! Okay, I also connected in a dream with what I believe is another focus of mine from another dimension. It was a little gray squashy guy, but it had my face superimposed upon it, and I felt a tremendous affection for it. Was this another focus of mine in another dimension?
ELIAS: Correct, although be remembering that this is a translation into your objective terms that you may be recognizing.
KATIE: Yes, I understand that. Okay, in the last session I did with Hal and Geri, you told me that this little man that I encounter in my dreams is a focus of mine, Jasper. I’m wondering, is this an aspect of mine that wears the image of Jasper, or is it the actual focus?
ELIAS: This is a connection with the focus.
KATIE: Okay. Does this focus have objective awareness of me?
ELIAS: Not presently.
KATIE: Okay. I’m curious about this focus of mine, Amin, in Turkey. Does he have objective awareness of me?
ELIAS: Partially, in a manner of speaking, but not entirely. It is viewed as an element of imagination presently, and a wondering as to the validity of the reality.
KATIE: Okay. Since my essence is dispersed, that would come into play with all of my focuses then, correct? They would all have a wider awareness of other focuses, even within the same time period?
ELIAS: Not necessarily. This element of being a dispersed essence within certain focuses may evidence itself, but this is also the choice of the focus as it is entering into manifestation, whether it chooses to avail itself of those abilities or not.
KATIE: Okay, and mine apparently did.
KATIE: Okay. What essence have I fragmented of? (Pause)
ELIAS: Fragmentation of essences Jarthe, J-A-R-T-H-E, Pandell, P-A-N-D-E-L-L, Navox, N-A-V-O-X.
KATIE: Okay. Does my essence carry a Dream Walker aspect? (Pause)
KATIE: Which essence would this be?
ELIAS: It is not necessarily connected to one essence.
KATIE: Okay. Is a portion of this Rose?
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, for they are all interconnected, and therefore the aspect is interconnected with all of those essences.
What I am expressing to you is that the aspect that is incorporated into your fragmentation has been projected or assimilated into your essence through many occurrences of mergences. Therefore, it is not necessarily identifiable to be associated with one particular essence or group of essences. Are you understanding?
KATIE: Um-hmm. Okay. I recently reconnected with my friend Lisa after only seeing her once in like the last two-and-a-half years, and both of us were thinking about each other a great deal for the whole week before I called her. What is this reconnecting about?
ELIAS: This is an opportunity for you to be noticing mirror actions, which offers you more information to self and a validation of self and your movement, and is also another presentment to you in your offering of information, which creates a new challenge, for you now create the element of offering information to another individual in a manner not to be invalidating or disturbing of that individual’s belief systems.
KATIE: Well, how did I do? (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) I thought it went really well!
ELIAS: Ah, but your challenge is not completed yet!
KATIE: Ah, good! We’ll get together again then!
ELIAS: (Chuckling) I express to you, I shall be incorporating a momentary break, in recognition of Michael, and we shall continue promptly.
BREAK: 1:28 PM
KATIE: Okay. A little bit longer break than I expected there! It was awfully good timing on your part though, because I was able to let Mary know what was happening with my phone on this end. (Elias chuckles)
My daughter has some questions. She wants to know if there are any other focuses ... well, she phrased that she wants to know what her other focuses are, as she is not sure if she is connecting with them or not. However, with 36 of them, I think she was only asking about the four that she might connect with most easily, or the other three, or actually, since she’s connecting with one of those already, the other two. (Pause)
ELIAS: She may be investigating of another focus in the physical location of Finland, in the time framework eleventh century, male.
ELIAS: Another focus, seventeenth century, physical location South America, area Brazil, female.
KATIE: Okay. She also feels a lot of connectedness with ancient Egypt. Does she have a connection there in one of her focuses?
ELIAS: Yes, but you are not inquiring to the focuses that she already is investigating.
KATIE: That is the same focus?
KATIE: Okay! I kind of wondered about that. She also wants to know if she has any shared focuses with her friend Debbie. (Pause)
KATIE: Ah, okay. What was the nature of that relationship? (Pause)
ELIAS: Relationship of friendship.
KATIE: Okay. Do I have any focuses with my friend Roger? (Pause)
KATIE: Is one of these the black woman in southern Alabama? (Pause)
KATIE: Okay. Was he my brother in that focus? (Pause)
ELIAS: What you would term to be step-brother.
KATIE: Okay. Is there also a shared focus with Jasper, my focus of Jasper? (Pause)
KATIE: Okay. Was Jasper a monk or something? He’s always in these robes when I see him. (Pause)
ELIAS: What would be termed, in his terminology, brother.
KATIE: Okay, cool. Let’s see ... I’ve been having some imagery in my dreams lately, and objective imagery as well. I’ve had a lot of objective imagery related to drains being clogged. I’m kind of wondering what that is about. I’ve been exploring it and haven’t really been able to figure it out.
ELIAS: (Chuckling) Let me express to you that this is your imagery that you are presenting to yourself in the area of letting go. This letting go, so to speak, is the symbology that you offer to yourself in allowing yourself to release your hold upon energy concerning other individuals. Although you are moving, as I have stated, into the direction of focusing upon self and you are offering yourself great encouragement and validation in this movement, you also continue to hold to this energy in familiarity, in your expression of manipulating your energy in conjunction with other individuals.
Now; this presents itself to you within this time framework also in relation to this new challenge that you offer to yourself. This is directly related to offering you a remembrance: that as you hold to this type of energy, in slipping into the expression of attempting to be manipulating other individuals’ realities – regardless of your intention, for your intention may be to be helpful, but it matters not; it continues to be an attempt to be manipulating energy in the creation of other individuals’ realities and a lack of acceptance in this area – as you continue to hold to your energy in this manner, you create a blockage, which does not allow a free flow.
This be the reason that I have expressed to you that you present yourself with this reunion, so to speak, in offering yourself not merely the opportunity to view some elements of mirror action between yourself and this other individual, but also to present yourself with the challenge of offering information within the framework of another individual’s belief systems, and in that, not invalidating their belief systems and therefore not discounting their reality as being reality.
In this, you present yourself with imagery in the area of drains or pipelines, so to speak, that may either be blocked or flow free. (Elias starts to say something else here, but stops)
KATIE: Okay. That’s why the toilet plugged up while I was there too, right? (Elias chuckles)
Also, I’ve had other imagery with strawberries. In one dream I was doing a bridal consultation, and the bride was wanting to carry a wreath of flowers instead of a bridal bouquet. She wanted strawberry jam incorporated into it, and I could only perceive this as being a very sticky mess within the dream ... and I had no idea how to get strawberry jam into a wreath! And then in another dream, I was presented with a plate of pancakes with strawberries on them instead of the blueberries that I wanted, and then I show up at Lisa’s house and see strawberries on a table there! What is this about?
ELIAS: This is the incorporation of imagery that you present yourself with presently in relation to spirituality.
In this, you choose the physical imagery of strawberries to be representative of a particular color, red, which is the vibrational quality of the Milumet family, which is the presentment of what you term to be spirituality, but in very different terms of expression than your definition of spirituality.
The presentment of certain types of imagery in this area with these strawberries, incorporating them into different types of forms but retaining the essence of them, presents you with the imagery of the challenge of incorporating spirituality in its essentialness, but manipulating it within its definition – its actual definition – into different forms or translations within physical reality, therefore allowing you to view that spirituality is not confined to the presentment of one particular form or expression, but extends far beyond that particular type of definition. (1)
Regardless of which hue, so to speak, that you present within your belief systems any definition of spirituality, the essence of spirituality is the same and incorporates all of your reality, not merely one form or another or one expression or another, and is not limited to the designations that you incorporate in your definition of it.
Therefore, you also present yourself with the incorporation of the imagery of strawberries in an area that you do not necessarily wish it to be, and in this, you allow yourself the opportunity to view the challenge of incorporating the concept – and eventually the reality – of genuine spirituality throughout the entirety of your focus, for there is no element of your focus that it is not incorporated into.
KATIE: Okay. Is my friend Lisa aligned with Milumet? (Pause)
KATIE: Okay, that’s another part of the connection there. Is her essence Sumafi? (Pause)
KATIE: Cool! And what is her essence name? (Pause)
ELIAS: Essence name, Yaulyn; Y-A-U-L-Y-N. (yaw-lin’)
KATIE: Okay. Does she also have a shared focus around this Alexander focus of Tom’s with me? (Pause)
KATIE: What was our relationship? (Pause)
ELIAS: This would be a relationship of acquaintance.
KATIE: Okay. Okay, I am curious. What is my intent within this focus? (Pause)
ELIAS: Within this particular focus, your intent moves in the direction of assimilating information and experiences to be stored, so to speak, that they may be accessed by yourself in relation to other individuals in offering elements of healing qualities to other individuals through the accessing of the experiences that you draw to yourself. In this, your intent centers much around your individual experiences and the evaluation of them, that they may be used, so to speak, in conjunction with other individuals.
In a manner of speaking, what you create within your intent may be similar to a sculptor. You acquire many different materials, many different types of clay and stone into your focus, and once you have acquired these elements, you use those elements to be reconfiguring them into different designs that may be beneficial to other individuals, and therefore offering the expression of what you have created to another individual, but within the framework of the other individual’s reality.
This once again moves us back into your present example of your present challenge, for you move into a new depth, so to speak, in this area.
What I am expressing to you is not that you acquire experiences and relay those experiences to....
KATIE: I have to interrupt. My phone is going out again.
ELIAS: (Chuckling) Very well. We shall continue momentarily.
KATIE: Okay, thank you.
Elias “pops out” at 2:22 PM.
KATIE: It’s going out again....
Vic’s note: Here, the phone goes dead. I asked Katie what happened, and here’s what she said:
“The thing with the phone is that at the time, I had only a cordless phone here. The battery went dead. As I had already gone the full two hours, I decided not to try to continue. Elias did have more to say, but saved it for my next session.”
(1) I have changed one word in the following sentence: “The presentment of certain types of imagery in this area with these strawberries, incorporating them into different types of forms but retaining the essence of them, PRESENTS you with the imagery of the challenge of incorporating spirituality in its essentialness ...”
It was originally stated: “The presentment of certain types of imagery in this area with these strawberries, incorporating them into different types of forms but retaining the essence of them, CREATES you with the imagery of the challenge of incorporating spirituality in its essentialness ...”
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