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dis-ease and healing

ELIAS: “Many individuals enter the area of healing focus believing, within a belief system, that they are healing another individual. (Firmly) No individual, no essence, heals another essence or individual. All individuals heal themselves; but you may be influencing and helpful within an energy exchange.” [session 165, April 19, 1997]

MARGOT: “It seems that health during a focus can depend on three factors – genetic predispositions, specific choices made by the essence while still in utero, and realities created by the individual after birth. Are there any more factors that are affecting of an individual’s health?”

ELIAS: “It is all choice. All resides within you from your inception. Therefore, it is merely a question of the choices within probabilities that you choose and the experiences that you choose to manifest.” [session 191a, July 10, 1997]

JIM: “A question relating to disease: As I see it, creating a physical illness seems to be through a holding of energy, and here I refer to your statement of ‘looking to affected organ and relaxing its intensity and allowing it to return to a natural state.’ Does all disease come from blockage of energy?”

ELIAS: “It is not necessarily a blocking of energy, but a holding of energy.”

JIM: “So whether it was bubonic plague or tuberculosis or anything else, it would be ... somehow the subjective mind determines what it is that the disease is going to be.”

ELIAS: “Correct. YOU are instructing of your physical body consciousness. All elements of dis-ease are within every individual physically focused. They are not ‘catching’ them as you catch a ball! They are within you already. It is merely a choice to be activating them.” [session 254, January 02, 1998 ]

DANIIL: “Another question I had, when I begin to notice some signals in my health, some minor problems – and I guess this is a very, very common question – but should I treat them as signals only or should I go to the doctor every time and pursue treatment to the end? Or should I do both? In other words, sometimes in reading material about illnesses being signals, I get a feeling that if I really listen to my own communications and I intend myself to be well, I can get well. But I’ve been reading some other material and sometimes you’re saying to choose a simple way, choose an easy way, and sometimes going to the doctor and taking pills is an easy way. So, doing it myself or choosing an easy way or both? Which is correct?”

ELIAS: “I may express to you both, for in this, remember that you incorporate expressed beliefs. Many times those expressed beliefs, without being recognized and without recognizing their influences, may be quite affecting and may also at times hinder your ability to be creating certain expressions in manners that are contrary to them.

“Remember also, my friend, you create all of your reality. Therefore, you are also creating the technicians and the physicians and the methods that are incorporated with them. You create all of that, and in that, you offer yourself a tremendous availability of many different methods to be incorporated in association with any manifestation that you may create physically.

“Now; I shall express to you that it is significant to be paying attention, for any physical manifestation that you may create IS a communication. It is a type of signal that is expressing some identification of some action or association that you are generating inwardly. Therefore, it is important to not merely move in an expression of addressing to symptoms, but also to be evaluating and investigating within yourself what you are actually generating, what you are expressing in creating this manifestation.

“Therefore, my response is – my suggestion is to be paying attention to both. Do not force your energy in attempting to generate actions that are contrary to your expressed beliefs. As an example, if you incorporate an expressed belief that your physicians are competent and do incorporate abilities to heal, it is somewhat ludicrous to attempt to move in an expression contrary to that unless you are moving in a direction of genuinely exploring your abilities to manipulate energy.

“But the point in any expression that you choose or any direction that you move within is to be generating an ease. Therefore, if one direction appears to you to be incorporating an ease, why would you then complicate and move in a direction that is more difficult? Unless you choose to experience the difficulty, which at times individuals do!” [session 1418, August 16, 2006]

VICKI: “Well, I have two questions, one for me, one for Michael [Mary]. For Michael [Mary], what about the mass manifestations of illness, say, within the animal world?

ELIAS: Creatures incorporate their own consciousness, as do all things. I have expressed to you that you do not incorporate an understanding of animal consciousness. Although they do not incorporate essence as do you, they do incorporate a highly efficient consciousness. They also incorporate a collective consciousness. I have expressed, there is thought. There is great feeling. Many creatures do not incorporate the thought process as you view this to be, but their emotional expression is great. I will also express to you that within their collective consciousness, they may choose for their own reasons collectively, not individually, to incorporate an action as to attain your noticing.

VICKI: Their choice.

ELIAS: Their choice.

VICKI: Their creation.

ELIAS: Some creatures will choose to mass create situations to be expressing of an issue. This issue to which Michael [Mary] holds confusion is related to a very simple expression. Man, in his ever-growing attempts to be incorporating ‘better’ ways of accomplishing, chooses to be feeding animals elements that are unnatural to them. I am not expressing of your drugs! (Vic’s note: he’s reading my mind again!) I am expressing that certain animals eat vegetation. Their expression within physical form is designed, molecularly and cellularly, to assimilate this type of energy, which is less dense than other energy. We have spoken of this previously. In this, you choose to be incorporating fleshy products to animals that do not consume this type of energy. Therefore, within a collective expression, they choose to manifest illness.

VICKI: Do you mean they were feeding those cows meat??? (Incredulously)

(Vic’s note: in reference to the ‘mad cow disease’ in England.)

ELIAS: Correct.

VICKI: Oh!

ELIAS: It is making for ‘beefier beef!’ (Grinning)

VICKI: Wow! That’s interesting! (And stupid!) And so then they respond with this mass response.

ELIAS: You may express, within your understanding, that this may be classified as a ‘protest!’ (Grinning)

VICKI: Oh, that’s interesting!

JIM: They all got real mad!

ELIAS: They do not incorporate anger. (Smiling)

JIM: Yes. Thank you.

VICKI: Well, what good is the mass protest if nobody knows that it’s a mass protest?

ELIAS: Ah, but they do respond. They may not understand the consciousness, but the event is noticed, and also acted upon.

VICKI: So the connection between the feeding and the expression is noticed by the people that are feeding the animals?

ELIAS: Correct.” [session 85, April 10, 1996]

GUIN: “Elias, I have a question. Is there any helpfulness that you can give Jaren [Jason] with his physical problems, with his asthma and his allergies that he has created? Can you help explain? I’ve tried to figure out why he’s created this, obviously for the experience, but what else can be attached to it?

(Vic’s note: Jason (Jaren) is Guin’s (Sophia’s) younger brother and is fourteen years old.)

ELIAS: There are other elements within this physical focus that you may attach to this expression, beyond the simplicity of the experience. These expressions hold underlying emotional responses to environment and situations. Individuals, especially individuals that chronologically within a specific focus are ‘young,’ express their emotional response to elements of their focus quite often through physical manifestations, viewing an unacceptable element in expressing through verbalized thought. Many times, individuals, irregardless of age, feel that it would be unacceptable to be expressing of their true desires. Therefore, as with all energy, which must be expressed, they express within other elements of their reality.

JIM: “The disease, dis-ease, that my mate Cindy, Borloh, is experiencing now, would this be the counterpart action related to that in what she’s experienced in her blinking out? We’ve been experiencing it I guess, the last week.

ELIAS: This in actuality is a very good question, Yarr [Jim], for within the action of counterparts, this also is quite common. One individual is aligned with one particular family engaged with the intent of healing. The other aligns with another family, and manifests physically. Therefore, you offer each other material for your experience.

This also is an interesting area, in that physical manifestation may be a symbol to you of certain elements of consciousness. You within physical focus look to manifestations physically within the body as negative. You term them disease. In actuality, your physical manifestation naturally functions without what you term disease. In order to be creating of this term, the individual must be objectively focused and subjectively connected; for the energy required to manifest disease within your physical expression is greater than what you naturally create. You naturally have created a physical body to breathe without thought. To not breathe requires effort. Every aspect of what you term to be disease is a connection between subjective and objective activity. You label this within negative terms.

This also creates a function for certain individuals. Initially, the function of the intent of the Tumold family was not to be diverting the action of body disease, for it was a recognition that this action is a connection; an objective identification with subjective activity. Therefore, it was unnecessary. You have distorted this idea. Within your choice to be forgetting of yourselves, you have also forgotten your own language, which we have stated many times. In this, part of your language to yourself may be a creation physically, but as you label this to be negative, you choose to be initiating action to change. Therefore, you view a need for healers; individuals who may initiate action to heal another individual, or to be helpful in healing another individual. I have stated to you many times, you heal yourselves. You do not require the assistance of another individual to heal yourself! You naturally hold this ability; but those who manifest physically also view what they manifest to be negative. Therefore, you are in agreement; the diseased and the healer. Therefore, within agreement in viewing a negative situation, you choose to rearrange the situation together.

In actuality, individuals choose what you will view as dysfunction within their physical manifestation. This is not to say that individuals are ‘more spiritual’ (humorously) if they are choosing to manifest dysfunction, for you may choose your natural state, which is effortless, and you may choose to manifest perfect health, in your terms; but I shall express to you that your ideas of dysfunction and disease within physical form are very distorted. They are a response, not negative; a response, within consciousness, of the body consciousness, which is responding to subjective activity. It is a close connection. You view this dysfunction or disease to be negative, for you view this as a leading to disengagement of physical focus, which you view as negative. The more dysfunction or disease which is created, the closer you view that you bring yourself to disengagement, or death.

(Vic’s note: for the most part, Elias pronounces disease as dis-ease.)

You view all of these things to be negative. They are not negative! They are movement. Many individuals experiencing disease are more closely aligned with their subjective activity than you realize, for they are allowing their subjective activity to bleed through to objective manifestation. You view this to be negative. If you disassociate from the idea of negativity, this shall not hold such severity to you. You view senility to be negative. I express to you that this state is an engagement of transition while continuing within physical focus. This may be viewed by you as positive. I have expressed to you that your perceptions of how you view any given idea or concept are very important, for you may view in one direction and you will hold one opinion. You may view the same concept from another angle, and you will hold a different opinion.

This is the reason that we speak; to widen your perception and allow you to incorporate your periphery, to incorporate more of your vision than you presently allow yourselves; for not all is as it seems.

JIM: Thank you. That’s a great answer.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

JIM: It certainly widens my vision. It was kind of neat, though. I did have some impressions that some of these other things were involved within this too.

ELIAS: This is not to discount the action of what you term to be healing, for this is a function that you have chosen; and as I have stated, you all agree. The healer and the diseased are in agreement of this negative element. Therefore, you hold a purpose within your function. I offer you this information only that you may view that there are more elements to these actions that you create. As long as you view dysfunction physically to be negative, there shall continue to be a reason for healing.

JIM: And disease.

ELIAS: Quite correct.

NORM: I have a question. For example, the recent disease of AIDS, was that created by mankind, or was that created by viruses, or both, or what? (Laughing)

ELIAS: Both, in your terms; for it has been created through consciousness, through a desire which elements of consciousness have responded to, which you may view to be formation of an alteration, not of a virus, but of a cell. In this alteration, the cell is responding to the desire of the mass consciousness. One moment. (Turning to Jim) I shall also in this direct back to Yarr [Jim], in that disease shall continue regardless of the healers.

(Turning back to Norm) The creation of disease or dysfunction, as you term this, within physical form shall continue as you choose. There are many reasons why you choose to be creating of these aspects within physical form. One of the reasons that you choose, within mass consciousness, is for your attention. You choose all of these mass dysfunctions to be beneficial. You never, underline, choose an action within mass consciousness that is not beneficial! It may not be what you term to be good or positive in your thought process, but it is never not beneficial! You shall always benefit from your creations! You choose in some areas to be creating of certain dysfunctions to be expressing a mass statement.

I have expressed to you previously of this situation of AIDS. This has been created as a statement within mass consciousness. It is a mass event. Each time, within your history and continuing, the mass views what you believe to be presently as an injustice, you shall create some action to draw attention to the situation, for this is how you have chosen to attract your attention.

You do not listen to each other unless you view catastrophe. You do not listen to yourselves or to each other if you are joyful. You do not attract your own attention or other’s attention if you are positive. You do attract your own attention and other’s attention if you view an action to be negative! If you view an element to be unacceptable, it shall gain your attention, and you shall take notice.

RETA: My question on the mass statement of AIDS in particular: Was that a mass statement to stop the actions of individuals, or was that a mass statement to have our attention diverted from something else that we should be ... For instance, we have a lot of wars going on which we need to put attention on. Was the mass statement to bring out AIDS and get attention, was that a diversionary tool, or was that against the individuals causing that, a social statement?

ELIAS: This mass creation has been stated to express an element of yourselves that you know. As you choose to enter a cycle of physical manifestation within this dimension, upon this planet, within this time thickness, you choose to manifest within at least three focuses for the experience of these different elements of physical manifestation. In this, it is recognized within your consciousness that this is natural. Within your three manifestations, as has been stated previously, you shall manifest once as male, once as female, and once in what we shall term ‘other,’ (humorously, and laughter) of your persuasion. In this, there is no gender within essence, and within consciousness you are recognizing of this. It is a physical manifestation for experience. Therefore, it is unnecessary to be setting prejudices as to the elements of gender or non-gender, for you are non-gender. You choose only within an individual focus to selectively focus in one gender, for you are highly selective.

In this recognition, as I have expressed, each time within your history that you recognize that you are expressing what you term to be intolerance or injustice, you shall respond to this; for you think in terms of right and wrong. Therefore, you shall right the wrongs that you have viewed yourselves to be perpetrating.

You are not innately bad or evil creatures. You are innately positive. Therefore, you lean to this, although these are physical terms, be understanding; for outside of your framework of physical focus these terms do not apply, but within the creation that you have manifest, you do view within these terms of right and wrong. Injustice, in your terms, is wrong. In reality, you realize and know within that you are all that is manifest upon this planet. I have expressed exercises previously to be emphasizing of this concept.

You within this company view yourselves to be what you now fashionably term Caucasian. Within another focus of your essence, you are also every other color. You are also every other nationality. You are every race. You are male and female. You are ‘other!’ (Grinning) Therefore, why shall you discriminate of any, for you are all! And as you discriminate of another, you do so to yourselves.

NORM: So in the shift, we won’t discriminate?

ELIAS: No, you shall not.

NORM: We shall not. Well, that’s nice!

ELIAS: It will be unnecessary, for you will understand.” [session 132, November 10, 1996]

CAROL: “I see. I wonder about, in this focus, the relationship, the reasons and belief systems behind the relationship that exists with my younger son, who has for the most part left physical focus in what doctors would term schizophrenia, but has returned somewhat now. He and I are locked into some kind of a belief system or an agreement, and I’m trying to understand what needs to change for his belief system, or should it, and mine, and why we have this agreement that we are involved in this together.

ELIAS: Within this manifestation that you term psychologically as schizophrenia, you identify this as a mental disease; a disorder. This is the belief system, that it is a disease or a disorder; for there is no disorder within this manifestation. I shall explain to you.

Many individuals choose to manifest within physical focus, and as they manifest, throughout the time period of a small one they are adjusting to objective creating and objective reality. They are moving from subjective reality into objective reality. Therefore, you view certain expressions within children that you think you do not view within adulthood.

As these children mature, in your terms, they grow accepting belief systems, and accepting objective reality, and creating objectively. They move into an area of separation of subjective knowingness objectively. By the time these individuals reach a certain age, which you classify as adolescence, they are moving into an acceptance of objectivity within their reality. They disassociate themselves objectively from their subjective understanding. This allows for their growth within official functioning; society, within your physical focus. As they move into alignment with mass belief systems and create their reality in conjunction with this, as do all of you, some individuals choose to not engage this action.

You will notice that the most common age for this development of this so-called disease does not occur in small children. Most commonly this begins, so to speak, within adolescence and young adults. You may verify this with your psychology. The reason for this is that certain individuals, as they manifest within physical focus, choose, at this point of movement into objective reality, to not move into objective reality. Therefore, they continue very realistically within an exchange of subjective reality, which is reality.

Within your societies, not only within your present now but also throughout your history, this is unofficial information and behavior. It is not accepted, for it does not align with the mass belief systems. Therefore, it is labeled in an unacceptable manner, for you do not understand the manifestation. You do not understand the creation. Therefore, as it does not fit into accepted official reality, it is ostracized to a point.

These individuals choose to continue communication subjectively. Therefore, they are within communication of other focuses, as would they be non-physically, as would they be during their time period of small children. Within small children, this is acceptable. It is viewed as active imagination and creativity. Within older age brackets it is no longer acceptable, for behavior is expected to change and to align with mass belief systems.

Within this, not only within your present now but also throughout your ages, these individuals manifesting this choice also hold belief systems; as being influenced by the individuals surrounding them, the consciousness within mass belief systems within the time period that they have manifest, and within the non-acceptance of the mass. Therefore, they hold conflict also, for they manifest what they understand initially, but they also hold belief systems that they have acquired. These conflict with the manifestation that they have chosen to actualize. In this, hypothetically, if man were to be accepting of all of man’s choices of expressions of manifestations, the conflict would not exist.

CAROL: That’s exactly what I knew!

ELIAS: The conflict exists for there is a non-acceptance that these individuals choose to be in communication subjectively and objectively with essence, and therefore with all of their aspects and focuses. They do not hold the veil between objective and subjective reality. Therefore, they may exhibit listening to other voices. You express that these voices are imaginary, delusional, hallucinatory. These voices that they may hear speaking to them are those of their other focuses, other aspects of their own essence which are within communication with them. This does not fit within your accepted reality. It is, once again, as we began discussing within our session, unofficial information.

Unofficial information frightens individuals. It threatens their belief systems. Unfortunately, for those involved within this manifestation, they also hold belief systems influenced by the time period that they manifest within. Therefore, they confuse themselves and they also do not accept their own creation. They do not understand that they are not disordered or diseased. They view themselves within the same belief systems as all of society, and they view their own behavior as unacceptable. This creates tremendous conflict.

You have drawn yourself to this experience and bonded within this experience for your own widening, and for helpfulness to this individual in the area of acceptance; for as you each begin to recognize belief systems and accept these belief systems, this conflict shall be abated.” [session 148, January 14, 1997]

NORM: “I would like to ask some questions in regard to the pool of probabilities and the creation of the so-called cellular body that I am operating. That pool of probabilities, does that influence the biochemical nature and the neurological nature of this body?

ELIAS: Yes.

NORM: However, I have complete control over the realignment of the neurological and biochemical nature of this body.

ELIAS: Yes.

NORM: And it’s not a difficult task to do, within this probability.

ELIAS: Correct ... although you do not believe this! Therefore, you create difficulty! (Grinning, and laughter)

NORM: I’m trying damn hard to believe this! I was attracted to a book, and it was in regard to some unusual things that happen in the Philippines. It was about the psychic surgeons. Do you have knowledge of this in any of your aspects or focuses?

ELIAS: Yes.

NORM: They have four different procedures that they do. I’m trying to correlate that with the ideas that I have in regard to the unofficial worlds.

ELIAS: This is unofficial information.

NORM: Yes, I realize that. They do have the capability then, of opening the body without blood and knowing where to go in the body to take care of, for example, a cancerous portion of the lungs or of the liver or what have you, and remove that cancerous portion and then close up without a scar.

ELIAS: Correct.

NORM: They have the ability then, to discern. There is a great deal of cooperation between the seventeen trillion cells that I have in my body. For example, cancerous cells don’t have the cooperation and are forcing the cooperation of the others? The unofficial consciousness of these people that know how to do this, they can discern where the body has a problem by looking at it unofficially? Is it because of a difference in cooperation between cells?

ELIAS: You are fascinated and amazed by unofficial information that you may physically view, which falls into the same category as parlor tricks! You view what you term to be psychic surgery as amazing. You each hold the ability to accomplish these acts. They are unnecessary. They are no different than your physicians within your western medicine with their scalpels. It is unnecessary to disturb the structure of the physical expression to alter a creation!

You do this for your own amazement. This is to acknowledge to yourselves your abilities, although you do not acknowledge your abilities! You believe that some individuals upon your planet are blessed and gifted within certain abilities that all else do not hold! You all hold the same abilities. There is no lack of cooperation between cellular structure within your physical expression, in the expression of cancer. The individual that has created what you view to be cancer has merely activated, within their own cellular structure, an action of dis-ease, in alignment with their desires.

NORM: And intent.

ELIAS: Correct. There is no lack of cooperation cellularly. Subjective information is offered to your physical expression, which responds with precise and immediate cooperation. You all hold these cells. They are a part of your manifestation. You choose to activate or not activate certain actions within certain cellular structures.

NORM: In the future then, disease should be treated, if it is to be treated with the help of somebody else, by that somebody else informing or helping the individual understand that he himself has created the disease, and to make sure that this is his choice, that this is what he wants to do.

ELIAS: There is no necessity to be making sure that this is the individual’s choice, for if this was not the individual’s choice they would not manifest!

NORM: I’m sorry! I said that wrong! I agree with that! (Laughter) But some people, in the shift, may not know that yet, and so for a time there is going to be a need for people that can explain that, if they want to take care of or improve their health.

ELIAS: Within the shift or what you view as future time periods, in regard to manifestations of dis-ease within any form physically, action of other individuals, incorporated within cooperation of the manifesting individual, shall be only to be reminding the individual body consciousness of its original state of efficiency.

I wish not to be appearing as discounting of the ability of these individuals that fascinate you so with their manifestations of psychic surgery. This indicates a trustfulness of self, and a movement into understanding of physical expression and the reality of your physical expression; what it is; although they have not quite reached what you would term as your physical goals, within an understanding that any disruption of the flesh is unnecessary.

NORM: That’s right. The person could just uncreate it.

ELIAS: But as has been stated previously, there are times that individuals lend energy to another individual within consciousness, to be reminding of the physical expression of its natural state.

NORM: There was another concept that I thought was quite inviolate, and that was the fact that there is a body around me, an unofficial body that is my protector, so to speak. Those people that were operated on psychically had to allow the psychic surgeon to go past that. Some people call this the astral body. They had to allow the psychic surgeon to go by there, for him to be able to do what he did.

ELIAS: Absolutely. This action is a cooperation of both the individuals. You do not hold a shell around you, but you do possess an energy field around you which will not, not can not but will not, be penetrated or intruded upon without permission.

BOB: ... I have a question. Would the shift mark an end to experience?

ELIAS: No.

BOB: So experience continues forever, even after the shift.

ELIAS: Correct.

BOB: But only within this focus and other focuses. Let me put it another way. Do you still engage experience?

ELIAS: Yes. (Grinning)

BOB: For the purpose of becoming.

ELIAS: Yes. (Grinning)

BOB: So this notion of an end to disease is to some extent a waste of time because disease is simply experience and since all experience is valuable, then the notion of any change in the nature of things is a waste of time.

ELIAS: No! (Grinning)

BOB: (Cracking up) You just won’t let me, will ya?

ELIAS: You choose collectively what you shall create within mass ...

BOB: Mass like mass, or mass like lots of people?

ELIAS: (Humorously) Mass like lots of people! (Much laughter)

BOB: Okay. Just wanted to make sure!

ELIAS: In this, you create what you desire and choose. If, within the mass consciousness cooperatively within agreement, you choose to discontinue the creation of disease, you shall; although you do, for all time is simultaneous! (Grinning)

BOB: So the shift already happened, or is happening.

ELIAS: Correct.

DREW: Your question was related not to mass belief systems though, but to individuals. Is that correct? Because I’ve had that same question in my mind, almost a sense of what’s the point?

BOB: Of?

DREW: Well, why bother worrying about dying of cancer? Why worry?

BOB: Well, you don’t need to.

DREW: You don’t need to, and worry is probably the wrong word. You’ve got to be very careful of the words you use around here! (Much laughter)

BOB: You can choose to worry if you choose to worry!

DREW: Yes, but in terms of making an effort to correct certain situations that manifest, that you choose to manifest ... How am I doing?

BOB: You can’t correct it if it isn’t wrong! (We’re cracking up)

DREW: But you can change a situation that you manifest. If all experience is neither good nor bad and it’s all for the experience, why bother trying to change anything? I can hear the answer already! Let me see if I can come up with the answer. (Elias is grinning) Well, there could be many answers! The first one that comes to mind is, don’t try but accept. Which leads me back to this, then what’s the point? I understand it’s for experience and it’s for learning, and therefore let the disease happen and don’t make an effort to correct it, to change it. Let your life go where it goes and just be accepting of whatever comes along, because all experience is neither good nor bad. And yet in practical daily terms, if happiness is our desire, not all experience leads to happiness! Now that may be a matter of acceptance, and yet it all becomes, after a while, seemingly pointless to me. I’ve been dealing with this a little bit in terms of not only frustration, but almost a sense of meaninglessness to the effort, which brings us back to the word of effortlessness! Am I making sense in any way? Does anybody identify with what I’m talking about? (Yes, many of us have been on this hamster wheel!) Can you help me with this?

ELIAS: What is the point? All probabilities are actualized. Therefore, what does it matter? Why must you place right, wrong, good, bad upon a choice to give it value? Why has it no value within itself? (He is in the question-asking mode tonight!)

DREW: Well, I guess in terms of its leading to what you said all humans desire, and that is happiness. If that’s a desire we all share but the choices we make don’t lead us there, and yet the choices we make, any one choice is just as good as the other, it almost seems that happiness is unattainable and that we’re just essentially ... I don’t want to say that! We may as well just kick back and go along for the ride and whatever happens happens and it’s all okay. But that may not necessarily make us happy!

ELIAS: And within some focuses this is precisely what you actualize, and within other focuses you do not. Within some focuses, you blissfully drift through your manifestation unconcerned with the whys or the wherefores or the hows or the whats, and you accomplish experiencing attaching no better or worse to all of your experiences.

Within this particular focus that you are aware of within your attention immediately, you have chosen not to manifest this type of experience. You have chosen an intent which creates a direction; and in this you follow, through your experiences, this intent. The intent is what is directing of your experiences.

Objectively, you are correct that all individuals seek happiness; but within your objective terms, all individuals do not believe that they experience happiness. Many individuals, within the entirety of a given focus, experience misery, in your terms. This is directly a resultingness of belief systems. Your happiness, or I shall express your joyfulness of self is experienced by self through all of its experiences independent of belief systems, in recognition of the purity of the experience. Emotionally filtered through belief systems, you may not believe that you experience what you term happiness, but you shall follow your intent.

I add to this, as you may question. You do choose some focuses without a specific aligned intent other than experience. These will be your experienced focuses that you may think of within your thought processes as your ‘drifting through’ focuses; blissfully ignorant, in your terms, of anything other than the experiences themselves.

DREW: So it’s the addition of intent.

ELIAS: Which allows you a direction within an individual focus. This is what you term as purpose.

DREW: But ultimately, it’s meaningless!

ELIAS: No thing is meaningless, for all is affecting of all. Everything, all of consciousness, all of you, is intertwined and interconnected. Therefore, each motion that you create, each choice that you choose, is affecting of all other focuses, is also affecting of all of consciousness. It is so very intertwined that your future and past selves, in your terms, or your sideways selves, in my terms, are continuously affecting of your choices, as you are continuously affecting of future and past events and choices. Therefore, all things are influencing of all others. None is insignificant. All of your actions are important in that they are, within each moment, creating your value fulfillment. If you are not creating value fulfillment, you shall discontinue.

NORM: All consciousness has intrinsically, inherently built into it a desire for action, motion, change? Or I could ask another question. Is there any consciousness that does not have action, motion, change?

ELIAS: No; although it is not necessarily a desire. It is.

NORM: It just is.

ELIAS: Correct.” [session 153, February 16, 1997]

VICKI: “I have a question about that for Jessele [Margot]. She’s wondering if, when she has dream imagery of a physically focused individual dying but in actuality they have not died, if that is indicative of an entering into a state of transition?

ELIAS: At times. Not always; but there are occasions that you may be connecting with this imagery and it shall be indicating of an individual engaging transition within physical focus.

RETA: A couple of times you’ve said, if I’m right, that they can start going through transition before they disengage?

ELIAS: Correct.

RETA: Can you explain that a little bit more?

ELIAS: Many of you already accomplish this, as you term this state to be a condition that you classify physically as senility.

RETA: So you’ve already gone on and your body is still here.

ELIAS: You are here also!

RETA: Well, you’re here also, but partially, not totally alert.

ELIAS: You are completely alert. You are engaging the action of transition. You are not disengaged from physical focus.

RETA: What about these folks that are very ill and they just lay in a bed in a coma? Is that the same thing? They’ve already engaged transition and haven’t shut off the body?

ELIAS: No. We have discussed previously the manifestation of what you term to be coma, and you may be referring to this information. Within the action of creating senility, you are engaging the action of transition.

RETA: That’s interesting.

ELIAS: It is not necessary to be engaging senility to engage the action of transition within physical focus; and as you shall become aware presently and within your near future, you shall view your sciences to be efficiently affecting of what you think of as senility. This is agreed upon, as you are entering into your shift; for individuals within consciousness recognize that it is unnecessary to be creating of this ‘condition’ or ‘disease’ to be engaging transition.

DREW: So they engage it as a belief system rather than as a choice?

ELIAS: The action is created with an explanation acceptable within your physical reality. You view the action to be a disease. Therefore, it is acceptable. It is unnecessary to be creating this disease. As you move into your shift, you are recognizing of this. Therefore you create, quite conveniently, a cure for your disease!

RETA: There are several types of senility. Like you said, coma is one thing, senility is another thing. But there are folks that are almost like a vegetable. Just their body is here, and to us they have no recognition of anything. Why do they stay if their body is not functioning? Or is it a belief system they had before, that they can’t leave?

ELIAS: It is not necessarily a belief system. It is a choice of experience which you may say stretches the limits of the body consciousness. You may be, as I have stated, engaging previous information, which shall be explaining of these situations to you.” [session 157, March 09, 1997]

VICKI: “I have some questions for some other people, if everybody’s finished. These are personal questions for other people. The first one is from Jessele [Margot]. ‘I had a very strange experience this evening. For over an hour I’ve had a steady series of those fainting things, only this one was different. Sort of palpitations–they kept moving back and forth from my heart area to my head, lasting about ten or fifteen seconds in each place. Before I try to explain this to a doctor, I’d like you to ask Elias what it is, and even if I should go to a doctor. Somehow, I think it’s all a part of a bigger picture, but I don’t know.’

ELIAS: You may express that within the belief systems, seeking advice of physicians may be engaged; although this may very well prove to be unfruitful. This is no different, within a continuation of the engagement of transition. Your physical expression also responds. You do not only experience subjective bleed-through. Within the choice to be engaging of transition within physical focus, all of the expression within physical focus is engaged. Therefore, the body consciousness is also affected. At times, the communication of subjective instruction to physical form is confused, for its attention is no longer focused so directly. Therefore, elements of physical actions may be occurring in response, for the body consciousness becomes confused. In this, it is as if you have crossed many electrical wires within physical focus, creating sparks and diffusion of energy.

Express that worry is unnecessary. This also is temporary, although it may reoccur. Therefore, hold expectation of reoccurrence. Express also: Be remembering, you are choosing to be objectively aware and not engaging senility. This is a new step within your physical manifestation. It is unfamiliar, and therefore individuals moving into this area may be on shaky ground temporarily, for you have no reference frame. You are creating and holding to your responsibility. You are not aligning with mass belief systems in creating senility, which (senility) allows you to disengage responsibility.

Many unusual, or what you view to be unusual, physical occurrences may appear. This should cause no concern, if understood that there are breaks in the electrical wiring of subjective information and direction to objective physical form. It may be termed as a short circuit, temporarily.” [session 166, April 20, 1997]

ELIAS: “Some individuals choose within physical focus to not be aligning with the accepted, official guidelines of the agreed-upon reality. These individuals are classified as not normal and holding mental deficiencies. Within this situation, Michael [Mary] experiences a family member with the same label of disturbance as do you, Aileen [Carole]. (Schizophrenia) In this, many individuals within your mass belief systems view this as unacceptable and as bad. Within some cultures and societies, it is focused upon more excessively. This has been reinforced within Michael’s [Mary’s] focus for much time, that this is very unacceptable. Bad blood! One side of family genetics being acceptable and normal, one side being not acceptable and not spoken of; with acceptance of expressions that this behavior and genetic encoding is wrong, bad, a contagion, and to be eliminated. This has created a fear of lack of acceptance. Therefore, this is not spoken of. It is unacceptable to be associated with family members which may be classified as lunatic.

These are very strong and disturbing belief systems, therefore secret; for obviously, if you are affiliated with family members holding this contagion, you are also a carrier of this disease; and we shall not allow anyone to be viewing of this disease, for this is very unacceptable. Within the onset of these sessions, this has reinforced this belief system with Michael [Mary]! (Laughter) Therefore, he has held a larger issue, questioning to himself if he has in actuality actualized this contagion, and is now infecting of all of you! As I have stated, this may be appearing to you to be silly, although within this individual, this is quite serious. Other family members have been less fortunate, and have been committed within your medical profession with this same affliction. Therefore, it is posed as a looming threat, although this has not manifest within this focus to this present now, and I wager to express to you that it shall not manifest at this point in your time period, for it is unnecessary and it also is not within his creation of probabilities within his intent or his experience; but it continues to be a fear. I express that he has accomplished much movement in the allowance of these sessions, as this is a tremendous fear and this action is quite reinforcing of this fear.

Each individual holds their own fear within themselves, whether they are objectively aware of this fear or not, that is their own demon; that haunts each of you. It may appear in any aspect of your reality. You may not objectively become aware of these demons, and you shall move through your individual focus and you shall not connect entirely with all of your probabilities. This is not to say that you do not follow your intent, but you shall block yourself from some of your choices as you do not confront your individual area. This is moving to an objective area, although not completely within this present now, but it shall be materializing futurely within short time period.

William [Gail] also has addressed to the individual demon; this being that element of each of you that you may at any given point project outwardly, and this may be interpreted in what you view to be possession ; for you project that element of fearfulness that you hold within self and create a form, for it is this powerful.

Within individuals choosing a final manifestation, you shall each address to this element of yourselves, in your connecting with all of self and learning to be trustful of self, and in moving on into non-physical focus. Those individuals choosing remanifestation may not be always choosing to be confronting of this element of self. This is a natural byproduct of separation. Just as I have expressed natural byproducts of essence, there are also natural byproducts of separation from essence. Within this particular focus, fear being the largest of these byproducts.

Although you may view within your society changes in the mass opinion of individuals that you may call crazy, within many individuals as Michael [Mary], old belief systems are held still. Lunacy is very bad! This is an element to not be spoken of and to not be shared with other individuals, for they may suspect you. Express to Michael [Mary], have no fear. He has not become a lunatic to this moment presently. His sanity is not threatened within this present now, although he may be believing of this as well as Lawrence [Vicki] is believing that he is a glorious creature!” [session 171, May 04, 1997]

CAROL: Did I understand you to say a couple of transcripts ago that people physically focused are going to be interacting more with people in transition that are not physically focused?

ELIAS: Yes. Within the action of this shift, you shall allow yourself interaction with individuals which occupy the area of consciousness that you recognize as transition. In this, you not only offer yourselves the new challenge of creativity and experimentation, but you also offer helpfulness in the action of transition, that individuals may not become confused and hold to objective consciousness.

There are no ‘lost souls,’ but there are confused focuses! (Grinning, and we all crack up) Therefore, within a recognition of simultaneous time within the area of transition, the focus may become quite confused at all of the lenses that appear before them and the belief systems that shall materialize within their reality, as they choose. This may be quite confusing to you initially. Therefore, it is in your terms quite understandable that some of these focuses may be choosing to be holding to this objective awareness, quitely! (Humorously) ‘I shall reside here within this small area, and recalling this manifestation of body. Therefore, I shall not confuse myself!’ (Laughter) But you also shall be helpful within this action of transition, in a recognition of this action; this being why many, many more individuals shall choose to be engaging the action of transition within physical focus previous to disengagement, offering helpfulness. And as many, many more individuals choose this action, this being also why your sciences shall be expressing they have cured your senility, for you shall hold an awareness. Therefore, you shall not create within total confusion. Therefore, you need not be fixed! (Laughter, and a pause)

... Also, we have spoken earlier of transition. I have expressed to you that many, many individuals shall be choosing to be experiencing much of this action of transition within physical focus. This already presently occurs. You label this as senility. You label this as a dysfunction. Therefore, you attempt to alter this without an understanding. The individuals that are creating this reality also hold no understanding objectively. Therefore, this creates a frightenedness within them, and much confusion. They are not accepting of the reality that they create any more than you are accepting of the reality that they create!

You shall be witnessing new awarenesses, new revelations in understanding of what you now view as dysfunction within mental capacities of individuals. You label these as diseases. They are choices for alternate creations of reality. These individuals, being also quite objectively focused, do not understand what they create, for they hold the same belief systems that you hold, for they are taught these belief systems. They may choose to be entering physical focus in what you term to be a mental dysfunction. You label these in many areas of disease. Within the initial throes of their objective physical focus, they are aware of what they have chosen to create; but within their increasing objective focus, which you move into also as you move into each focus, which I shall explain subsequently, they acquire the belief systems that the mass holds. This is not ‘normal.’ It is outside of your officially accepted reality. It is different. Therefore, it is unacceptable. It is needing of alteration. You not only believe this – they believe this also, for they come to believe this.

... As we have discussed the area of transition that you enter as you choose to disengage physical focus, you also engage an action of transition as you choose to enter physical focus; for you enter subjectively, for you are moving from subjective awareness without objective awareness. Therefore, in increments, you allow yourself to become focused within your objective reality. You will notice that your small ones, your infants, spend much of their physical time period within their sleep state, for they do not incorporate objective awareness but in very small increments. They hold subjective awareness. They are a physical example of your Dream Walkers. As they progress within your time period, they also incorporate more and more objective reality, closing out the subjective awareness. This too is a transition, which may be incorporated within a lengthy time period, in your terms, or it may be incorporated within a very small time period.

Many individuals develop psychological disease, within your terms, as they enter into what you view as adolescence. This is an incorporation of complete objective awareness. Some individuals approach this time period within the focus and choose not to continue. They choose to continue the subjective awareness, which is not in alignment with your accepted reality and your framework of beliefs. Therefore, they are classified as different, and holding disease. (Somebody says ‘Wow!’ and Elias chuckles)

FRANK: When you talk about senility, and it’s called Alzheimer’s disease ... I think this is what you were talking about?

ELIAS: Quite.

FRANK: I know people who are suffering from it, and because of that I know that there’s a lot of people who are dealing with that now at various different stages. They are in that state of confusion, and the doctors will describe it as a breakdown of the mental process, of their mental processes. This is a tough question, I realize, but how can we help them assimilate, from our standpoint now?

ELIAS: (Grinning at Frank) This is not a ‘tough question,’ although it may be difficult for your incorporation! (Much laughter)

FRANK: Just another one! (The interaction between Frank and Elias was really amusing – you had to be there!)

I shall express to you that within your acceptance and understanding that this is not disease ... this is not malfunction, this is a choice, therefore they are incorporating subjective activity ... as you hold an understanding and acceptance of this, you may also offer helpfulness to this individual in explanation. You may view that they do not understand you; but be remembering, they are incorporating much subjective activity, which incorporates all of your objective awareness and understanding. Therefore, you may speak objectively to an individual, and they may understand subjectively and be more accepting of their own creation.

If you are interacting with this individual ... that is not ‘suffering’ from Alzheimer’s, for it is not Alzheimer’s ‘disease!’ If you are incorporating interaction with an individual creating of this situation, you may be listening to expression. You may hear the expression of this individual of different time frameworks. You may look to this individual and they may view you and they do not recognize you, for they occupy an awareness temporarily, subjectively, of another time framework in which you are not what you appear to be presently. Therefore, you do not exist in your form, to their perception. You exist within another form. You may be called another name, for this individual views you within another focus or another reality. You may encounter an individual within this state of consciousness and you may frighten them, for they may view you as an extraterrestrial! (Laughter) For they view another aspect of you. They are in actuality viewing you, but they are viewing the multidimensionality of your essence.

They do not objectively understand what they are creating. Therefore, they are also subject to the belief systems which surround them within consciousness of the mass, which is reinforced by the interaction that they encounter objectively – of all of those individuals so well-meaning, wishing to be helpful, and helpfulness may come through quite simply understanding and accepting the expression of this individual and reinforcing differently, that they are not experiencing insanity, for it does not exist! Is this helpful?

FRANK: Very helpful. Thank you.

Q: May I ask if there’s a difference between an older person, say ninety-nine or a hundred, who is slowly going in and out, and a younger person who has what they consider to be Alzheimer’s disease? Is there a difference in the transition?

ELIAS: Within different age groups, there may be a different action incorporated. Within your belief systems, you believe that as you progress within physical age, that you deteriorate physically. This is not necessarily truthful, although it is reality, for you create it as reality!

In this, you also allow yourself within advanced ages to incorporate this action, recognizing that this is acceptable; for if you are old, you may acceptably create this disease, and others will be accepting of this in recognition of your age. Some individuals choose within younger ages to be creating similar actions, although they may not hold the same objective. There are many reasons that individuals choose to be creating of this type of imagery. You may view some individuals that are creating of this imagery, and to your amazement are miraculously disengaging the action and are ‘cured’ by themselves. They have only chosen to be engaging this subjective experience without the intention of engaging transition. But it is quite impressive, is it not, to be spontaneously cured of this malfunction? It is quite attaining of your attention!” [session 185, June 21, 1997]

ELIAS: “Each cell within your body consciousness recognizes you. It also recognizes, temporarily, all of your other focuses. Therefore, temporarily you may exchange with another focus. You may not assume another focus, for you hold a slightly different tone, and the body consciousness eventually shall be rejecting of that energy; but within this exchange, this is not an exchange of other focuses of one essence. This is an interaction – a mergence and exchange of different essences. Therefore, the body consciousness within physical manifestation does not hold recognition of this tone and energy and is rejecting, as your body physically is rejecting of transplant action. In this, physical rebellion occurs. Rejection of energy occurs, which creates action within the physical body expression. It is protesting! Within this concentration of energy exchange presently, the protesting would be objectified quite intensely. Therefore, within agreement to be furthering of this information delivery and expansion, agreements have been accomplished within consciousness to be helpful in diverting energy from this body consciousness.

This is quite complicated, in your terms, for there must occur an interaction subjectively with other body consciousnesses and energy subjectively of other individuals. Essentially, energy is projected to this body consciousness, establishing a communication, which it is lacking, of its own subjective interaction. Therefore, other individuals project energy to be offering communication and exchanging energy manifestations to objectify the manifestation of the energy expression, allowing a communication temporarily – almost to be fooling this body consciousness, although it is not fooling. It is distracting of the body consciousness by offering information and simultaneously allowing the energy which would be expressed within this particular physical form to be expressed elsewhere. There are many more aspects to your physical form than you realize. It is a magnificent creation of essence, and highly efficient.

Within the exchange of these essences, as I have stated, the subjective communication is interrupted. It is removed. You each communicate every movement, every motion, every objectification of every cell within your physical form, subjectively. Your physical body consciousness does not function independent of your communication.

Therefore, as you disengage physical focus, your body also disengages functioning. It does not disengage consciousness, but it shall cease its function, for it is no longer being directed moment by moment by your subjective interaction. You may disengage subjective interaction momentarily from your physical form, but this shall be affecting. You may not experience tremendous affectingness, but you may not remove the entirety of your subjective communication without also creating much confusion within your physical form, therefore also creating much affectingness.

Within individuals that choose to be experiencing states that you may classify as catatonic or comatose, they continue partial subjective interaction with the body consciousness, therefore allowing for its efficient continuation uninterrupted; although to an extent, even the allowance of some interaction subjectively holds affectingness physically, as the entirety of the subjective awareness is not in communication with the body consciousness. Therefore, you shall witness individuals with some physical affectingness within these states if it is prolonged.” [session 186, June 22, 1997]

MARGOT: “It seems that health during a focus can depend on three factors–genetic predispositions, specific choices made by the essence while still in utero, and realities created by the individual after birth. Are there any more factors that are affecting of an individual’s health?

ELIAS: It is all choice. All resides within you from your inception. Therefore, it is merely a question of the choices within probabilities that you choose and the experiences that you choose to manifest.

MARGOT: And in this regard, would you speak briefly to two conditions that have affected my health during this focus? I was always a sickly child. I’ve always felt this was because of stress in my childhood home, especially with my mother. I was stuttering by the time I was four, and could seldom utter a full sentence until I was in my teens and began getting away from home. My younger brother and sister also stuttered when they began speaking. There does not seem to be a genetic factor for this in the family. Can you tell me why my essence would either choose a speech disability or why I created that? I took my stuttering far more emotionally, far more personally than did either of my siblings, and determined many times I did not want to live because of the stress of this condition. Why did it become such a issue with me?

ELIAS: This shall present you with an example, that you may manifest the same outward objective action, but different individuals may choose different reasons for this action. One sibling, manifesting this same action, manifests this in objective imagery of not keeping pace with thought processes, so to speak; the thought process moving faster than the verbalization. Therefore, this objective creating is not stressful, although at times may be frustrating. She (Margot) creates this action for this emotional experience. Allow that you are not subject to another individual or their creations. Therefore, you do not ‘develop a condition’ as a result of another individual’s choices and actions. You choose to manifest what you think of as a ‘condition’ in response to the choices that you create within the experiences that you draw yourself to.

This individual chooses many times to be experiencing extreme within the area of emotion. This individual continues this choice within this present now in different actions, also lending at times to extreme emotion. It is a choice within this particular physical focus to be experiencing an intensity of this element of manifestation. In other manifestations, the focuses are not quite as intensely focused upon this particular type of experience; but within curiosity of experiences within this focus, this choice has been made. Therefore, within the officially accepted reality and its framework, explanations are offered and accepted of why this individual manifests this condition–they are unhappy within their family, which is acceptable, and this creation is quite in line with mass belief systems and is also acceptable; therefore, also safe.

VICKI: So am I understanding correctly that this manifestation of stuttering basically was created to initiate emotional experience?

ELIAS: Not to initiate, but as an objective expression within imagery in line with mass belief systems, in response to emotional experience; in difference to the sibling which does not incorporate this same action, therefore manifests similar objective imagery but for different reasons.

MARGOT: When I was about thirty-three, I created chronic asthma, which has always puzzled me. Other than doing that ‘for the experience,’ was there any other underlying reason?

ELIAS: This is an interesting area, for many individuals create this condition. Many individuals create this condition similarly. This also objectively is a response. Just as certain individuals hold energy within physical form in non-allowance of subjective information, or issues or elements that they are not pleased with, this particular condition of asthma is also a very similar action.

The individuals develop this expression and this experience in imagery within their dissatisfaction of conditions that they have chosen to place themselves within. They have confused themselves objectively. They are sending what you may term to be mixed messages to physical form. Subjectively they are choosing experiences which they are complying with objectively, but objectively, within their belief systems and within what they view to be their personal preferences, they are in opposition to what they are creating. They are not pleased with their environment and with the situation that they have involved themselves within with other individuals. They continue the experience, for they do not identify the belief systems which are involved.

Let me explain. Another individual shares this experience quite similarly, which may serve as an example. Sophia’s [Guin’s] sibling shares this condition as an objective manifestation of discontentment. This individual is not pleased with the situation which he has created and the environment in which he places himself within, although he also is choosing presently certain experiences and believing that he holds no control for change of these situations and experiences; therefore holding to the experiences within the influence of singular and mass belief systems, but not objectively wishing to be continuing with these experiences. Therefore, conflict is created. This manifests within these individuals in turning inwardly upon themselves.

(Vic’s note: there is information as to Sophia’s [Guin’s] sibling [Jaren] in session 105, July 17, 1996. Follow this link to read this information in the original transcript.)

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I have expressed to you many times, you do the most injustice to yourselves, much more than any murderer may effect upon any victim!

VICKI: Well, that’s kind of confusing for me, because in my perception this particular individual of Margot doesn’t seem to have that kind of conflict today, but does manifest the condition still.

ELIAS: This individual holds many belief systems continuing, which are creating of conflict within. This may not always be expressed within thought. Conflict may be expressed within physical form and the creation of physical maladies, as we have discussed previously. Therefore, you may be appearing to be quite jovial as an individual, and carefree, and you may be manifesting physical symptoms instead. Emotional individuals create many more physical ailments than do thought individuals.

VICKI: Is there a specific belief system attached to this particular manifestation?

ELIAS: There are several. The individual holds many belief systems of home and family and obligation and responsibility. This is manifest quite objectively. Therefore, in moving into areas of examining belief systems and also expanding awareness, which is not in your terms a new development with this individual, there is a conflict which manifests objectively.

MARGOT: ... It seems that one of two situations can sometimes happen, as the result of reality-creating or belief systems, concerning health. We either understand in creating a certain reality that there are physical risks involved, or we create certain physical problems as a result of a belief system. Would a third factor be that if an activity is not part of our intent, we would find a way to discontinue it? For example, I loved to ride horseback, but when I was fifteen I was thrown and injured my back. I obviously created that last horseback ride knowing that some people have accidents that will limit future activity. Could I have created that because, let’s say, that activity wasn’t in my intent?

ELIAS: It is possible. You shall create many different experiences to be in line with your belief systems, which shall move you in the direction of your intent.

VICKI: So are you saying that this would be true of this activity with this particular individual?

ELIAS: Yes.

MARGOT: Most women who become pregnant understand that in the temporary shifting of pelvic organs, they may have also created chronic health problems. I had seven....

ELIAS: (Interrupting) If they are so choosing!

MARGOT: I had seven pregnancies, all of them planned, and so I knowingly created factors that I’ve coped with ever since. Or, if there was no belief system that pregnancies can leave lasting problems, would there be any?

ELIAS: No. Another example of strongly held belief systems within this emotional individual, who is quite adapt at creating physical maladies!” [session 191a, July 10, 1997]

DEBI: “Another question I had was about my health, specific in the areas of eyesight and vision, and if that’s based on a physical impairment or if that’s based on a spiritual idea of not seeing something or not wanting to see something.

ELIAS: Both.

DEBI: Both?

ELIAS: The physical manifestation is a mirror action and response within communication of your subjective activity. Your subjective consciousness communicates to your physical body consciousness, therefore instructing action to be taken for many different reasons. In this situation, you have instructed your physical vision to be malfunctioning, in not wishing to be seeing yet. This is an element of resistance to change in areas of your own belief systems. You may be choosing to be altering of this situation. You have physically affected this vision in creating a physical malady. It is not in your terms merely imaginary, or an element that holds no physical attachment. You have created a physical dysfunction.

This is not to say that you may not un-create this function. You may be choosing, as you are moving through belief systems, to be affecting of this situation in your terms positively. This also I shall express is within probabilities, for there are some belief systems that you hold very strongly although you are not quite aware of all of these belief systems, and as you continue to hold these you shall not un-create the physical disorders that you have already created, for you do not believe within your belief systems completely yet that you hold this ability. You believe that you may create a malady. You also believe that you are unsure of un-creating the malady, only within yourself.” [session 194, July 17, 1997]

DAVID: “Could you offer some information that would be beneficial to the many, many people – mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters – who have lost a loved one to the terrible disease of AIDS? There’s much taboo surrounding this particular disease that many of our churches and such establishments are distorting, that I can see developing into yet another major belief system. Therefore, if we can nip it in the bud, so to speak, then maybe we might be doing a justice to ourselves. Yes, there are many who know within their hearts this is not a discriminative disease. It can strike at any gender. However, call it ignorance or what, there are just as many who choose to believe otherwise. Other than what information our society has access to presently, this does not seem to offer any comfort to the bereaved. Maybe if they knew that their loved ones didn’t suffer and die in vain, so to speak, they would understand the cause of this disease in terms of it being a chosen experience of the individuals. Therefore, I feel we can offer them somewhat of the truth of this disease, rather than the distorted one they have presently. And is there a cure approaching soon?

ELIAS: I have addressed to this subject previously, and offered the reasoning for its creation. You may offer to individuals that you view to be experiencing suffering at the supposed loss, although there is no loss, of an individual connected with them that this has been created as a mass statement. Within agreement, at different time periods within your history, essences collectively have chosen to be creating of what you may view to be devastating effects physically. This attains your attention. Your societies shall pay attention if you are collectively en masse creating of some action which you view to be distasteful. In this, as you move into your shift, there is more of a recognition and acceptance of no gender within essence; this being only a creation of this physical dimension, holding the purpose for experience. In this, a mass statement has been agreed upon to be delivering information globally, in instruction to individuals that this what you view to be discrimination is unnecessary. You hold no differences.

You may offer to this these individuals that you all, in choosing to enter this cycle of manifestation within this particular physical dimension, agree to manifest three times at the least, for the sexual orientation experience. It is an intimate element of this dimension and your manifestation within it. In this and in recognition that essence holds no gender, this statement has been created en masse quite similarly to your plagues of old to be enlightening the societies, the public, to conditions which are deemed now to be unnecessary and unacceptable. Therefore, individuals choose the action of creating this dis-ease, and also choose their disengagement from physical focus in connection with this dis-ease. It has been purposefully orchestrated, and within the time period of the beginnings of your shift, intentionally.

As to the question of its cure: A cure, in your terms, for this dis-ease shall not occur until its purpose has been accomplished.

DAVID: So, no time frame?

ELIAS: As you look to your planet presently and its response to this mass event, the purpose has not been accomplished, although movement has been accomplished. In your terms, awakening is occurring.

DAVID: So are we expecting many, many more millions of people to die from this disease yet?

ELIAS: Presently, within the chosen probabilities, yes. Be remembering also that this is a choice, and merely a movement in a mergence into another area of consciousness. Therefore, it holds no negativity.

DAVID: I accept the fact that it’s a choice, but it’s the parents, the mothers and fathers who have this barrier of this gay-ness thing, that are causing much pain within themselves to think that their son or daughter was gay, and therefore they’ve brought much pain upon themselves to accept the fact. So many sons that I know have been thrown out of families because their parents just thought it was disgusting. They couldn’t even say, ‘You’re my son.’

ELIAS: But this has also brought much attention to this subject. You are not physically experiencing such secretiveness objectively in this area as you are moving and there is more of an acceptance, although to your perception at times it may not appear in this manner. In actuality, thousands and thousands and thousands of individuals objectively are more accepting of this situation and choice than have been within your past.” [session 196, July 20, 1997]

VICKI: “I just have a couple of questions for both of us. The first one is, could you explain the difference between a state of unconsciousness and what we call a coma?

ELIAS: Very well. These are areas that your sciences continue to be confused within, for they do not understand the workings of your physical brain and they do not incorporate the interaction of consciousness in relation to your physical expression. In this, in actuality, within the action, there is a difference within what you term to be an unconscious state physically and a state of coma.

Within the expression of a coma, the individual experiences a time framework of sorts, although it is quite different from your objective experience within time; this being an accelerated time framework within their perception. It is a time period of choosing, as I have expressed previously. They choose this action in not quite connecting with which probability they wish to actualize; moving into non-physical areas, or continuing within physical focus.

Within the action of ‘unconscious,’ as you term this to be, it is different, for the individual removes most of their subjective consciousness from the body consciousness temporarily in response to trauma. This is an automatic response for different reasons, depending upon the type of trauma being experienced. It is a removal of the subjective interaction for a temporary time framework.

In this, the individual, the personality, subjectively experiences no time; this being different from the state of coma which does incorporate a time element, although it is different from your waking awareness of your time framework. An individual within the state of being unconscious due to trauma experiences no time framework. They are experiencing what we term to be simultaneous time. Therefore, it is unknown to them objectively that any time passes physically. You within your perception may view this individual and they may incorporate one minute or several hours of being within this state. To them, they experience no time framework at all. Therefore, it is the same to them as you blinking your eyes. They are unaware, for they have disconnected with objective awareness. Therefore, they experience no time passing, and the objective awareness is disengaged temporarily.

As I have expressed to you, this would be a temporary situation, in like manner to the energy exchange that you view with this essence and Michael [Mary]; for you may not be removing the subjective aspect of consciousness, within your time framework of your reality, from the body consciousness for extended periods of your physical time, for your physical body and its consciousness works together with subjective direction. Therefore, it holds no direction if the subjective consciousness is removed for too long.

This would be an actual action within your physical time framework; that you may express to yourself that if you are removing the subjective consciousness from the body consciousness uninterrupted for a time period of more than ten of your physical hours, the body shall respond in disengaging. There must be interaction within the body consciousness of the subjective interaction.

Within a coma, the individual holds a continued aspect of subjective consciousness in communication with the body consciousness. Within the action of unconscious, it is the same as this energy exchange, although they are not exchanging with another energy. They are merely removing completely the subjective interaction; this being as if the individual experiencing trauma steps back and allows themselves to take a breath, and then returns to continue.

VICKI: So this removal of subjective consciousness probably would be similar to what I experience when I have a seizure also.

ELIAS: Correct; this being the same. The individual experiences an element within objective consciousness that frightens them. Therefore, the subjective consciousness responds to the objective, which holds fearfulness; and in response, there is an allowance for the objective awareness to be disengaged temporarily and the removal of subjective awareness. Without subjective awareness, there is no objective awareness. You must have the subjective to be creating the objective. Therefore, in removing the subjective, you disengage the objective.

VICKI: So when people say that somebody was unconscious and then they slipped into a coma, what happened was that the subjective consciousness is again directing the body?

ELIAS: Correct, and re-establishing communication with the physical expression and directing it to be continuing, but not quite creating the choice objectively; for objective awareness is re-engaged at that point, and objectively the choice may not be completely engaged to fully re-engage the conscious objective expression with body consciousness and physical expression completely.

VICKI: So within our belief systems of fear of death, in actuality a state of unconsciousness is actually more serious in those terms than what we call a coma. (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes.

VICKI: We kind of think about it ...

ELIAS: ... in reverse.

VICKI: In reverse, yes. Interesting.

ELIAS: In actuality, the element of subjective consciousness is completely removed from the body expression. Interestingly enough, you hold the fear of death, and in actuality, as you respond within consciousness, you hold a larger fear of life; for you shall automatically respond subjectively to objective fearfulness, and remove.

VICKI: Hmm! When doctors measure brain waves, is there a difference between these two states?

ELIAS: If they are looking, yes; for within the state of coma, there shall be more activity physically within your physical brain, for communication is established.

VICKI: Interesting. Fear of life, huh?

ELIAS: Quite!” [session 206, August 14, 1997]

DAVID: “I read in one of the transcripts where you say that our physical bodies will express physically our beliefs. All physical manifestations are direct reflections of our beliefs. If this is so, then an individual who suffers from anorexia believes very strongly that they are too fat, yet they are quite the opposite.

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: So ... I don’t understand. If they believe that they’re too fat, then why aren’t they physically being too fat? (Good question!)

ELIAS: They are responding to their perception. You may view within your mirrors any image. It may not be what you are creating, but you may visually see what you choose to see; therefore offering yourself imagery to be creating what you are choosing to be creating. An individual chooses to be creating the manifestation of thinness, and the imagery that the individual offers themselves in visualization for motivation objectively is thickness.

DAVID: So what is the emotional reasoning behind this disease?

ELIAS: You are attempting to move into psychological belief systems. Each individual creates the experience that they are choosing to create. There is no real disease. All is a choice within your creating and your experience. You attach many psychological and religious belief systems to all of your actions and your creations within physical focus; but underlying, within the reality of what you create, you create for experience, and you experiment quite creatively in many, many, many different ways to be creating all types of experiences; this also being connected to actions within the counterpart action. You may be creating of an action in response or agreement with a counterpart, that you may both benefit from the experience that you have chosen.” [session 210, August 24, 1997]

DAVID: “I have a question for a friend of mine in England, London. She recently has been diagnosed with a physical ailment called M.E., something like multi-neuro deficiency or something like that. Anyway, she said that very little is known about it. The doctors really don’t know much about it. It’s quite energy-depleting, and she just doesn’t know what to do. She just wondered if there was anything she could know more about this M.E.

ELIAS: Ah, we be presented with Michael’s [Mary’s] issue! I shall be expressing to you, Mylo [David], that within this area singularly, Michael [Mary] holds tremendous issues. Therefore, in non-violation of the belief systems and issues held in this area of offering medical information, I am respectful of this; for within this present time period, this would be intrusive to this individual as in connection with this energy exchange. Therefore, this essence, within this present now, does not offer information in this direction; although there is an anticipation held that this issue and belief system shall be addressed futurely and shall be moved through, therefore offering an opening within this blocking area.

This individual physically focused has been chosen in that he allows a great opening and ability for this energy exchange without blocking in many areas in regards to personally-held belief systems, but no individual holds such clarity within energy exchange to be allowing every area to be addressed, for individuals do hold very strong belief systems in certain areas. This is a situation of beyond merely holding belief systems, but also holding tremendous issues personally. Therefore, this creates a block within the energy exchange, for essences are not intrusive. Therefore, within any energy exchange, no essence will be entering areas that are tremendously blocked by the individual physically focused which is engaging the energy exchange.

(Vic’s note: This is in reference to Mary’s issues of personal responsibility in the area of Elias offering medical advice.)

DAVID: Okay. Can I then ask ... the individual, my friend, she’s decided to work on her diet, changing her diet, and she thinks or feels that this is helping. Is there anything I can say, like ‘Hey, you’re going in the right direction?’ or whatever?

ELIAS: Within the individual’s choice and their belief systems, this may be helpful, although there may not be an affectingness in merely altering diet. I shall express to you, within a general offering of helpfulness to you, that you may suggest to this individual that they may be examining self and motivation and desire; and in this, in examining the desire for continuation within physical focus and not wishing to be incorporating uncomfortableness in physical focus, that they may be affecting of this situation if looking inwardly at actual physical elements of body and visualizing the areas being affected within the physical body expression and addressing to these areas, and suggesting to these areas of physical form that they relax their intensity and allow themselves to return to their natural state.

DAVID: Okay, thank you very much. I’ll send that to her.

ELIAS: You are welcome.” [session 215, September 07, 1997]

JIM: “Okay. I’ve been bothered for some time now in an area of personal conflict relating to someone close to me. The experience with this person seems not to be in alignment with my personal inner desires. Am I on the path to resolving this conflict?

ELIAS: (Accessing) Within your present direction, not necessarily. Within your desire, yes, and within the probabilities which you present yourself with, yes; but within your present course of action and interaction, no. Alter your interaction. Be listening. Be accepting and be paying attention, and in this you may offer yourself information to be more efficiently interacting and therefore affecting your future probabilities in this situation.

JIM: I went through an extended period of time in an emotionally painful – or your word, I think, is discomforting – divorce. Was it during this time that the cancer started within me?

ELIAS: Correct.

JIM: At what moment did I choose cancer? I seem to remember a very unusual episode where I was on a subway station in New York City, and I saw a sign that I was mesmerized with that said – it was a public service sign – it said something like, ‘One in four people will get cancer,’ and I was just astonished by that.

ELIAS: This be your objective awareness of the creation at this moment, but the action of your creation occurred previous to this, while continuing within your relationship. The ‘activization’ (Elias is making up words again) of this disease occurred before you had actually disengaged this relationship. You were already beginning your creation of this disease, for you were feeling disease within yourself and objectifying this within your physical body.

JIM: I have a thought, or have had a thought, that the stress relating to the conflict in the divorce suppressed my immune system, and as a consequence, what potential cancerous cells were there, or the potential for cancer cells, if that’s the right word, were allowed to spread because of the suppression of ... caused by the stress in me. Is that an accurate description?

ELIAS: Close, within your physical terms. In actuality, you had already activated these cells and their generation, creating this disease, but you had created this in moderate forms, so to speak, not unleashing its power within energy. Within subsequent time periods, as you held to your own energy, which you term to be stressfulness, this merely is a holding to yourself of your own energy in not allowing free expression within your energy. In this, you ‘unleashed the beast,’ so to speak, in your terms. In actuality, what you were accomplishing is merely activating cells that already exist within your physical form, and directing them subjectively to be destructive.

JIM: And I have the ability to reverse that process?

ELIAS: Absolutely.

JIM: I’ve felt for some time that I have been, or that I have reversed that. Is that an accurate statement?

ELIAS: Yes, but you hold fearfulness in this area. You continue to doubt that you have completely eradicated this situation, in your terms. In this, be aware: You HAVE accomplished. Therefore, acknowledge yourself, for in not acknowledging yourself you continue to hold to the potential of recreating the same situation; but as you allow yourself the acknowledgment of your accomplishment, you also free your own energy and allow this element to dissipate and fly away and have no hold upon you.

JIM: Hmm. Is the fearfulness that I hold related to my perception that I still have conflict in a relationship?

ELIAS: Partially. This be, so to speak, your ‘back door.’

JIM: My back door? The thought?

ELIAS: You maintain a new relationship, correct?

JIM: Correct.

ELIAS: Within this underlyingly, you continue to hold some areas of fearfulness. I have expressed previously to other individuals that individuals create patterns within themselves within physical focus, creating shrines, and in this they push these shrines away from themselves into areas that you consider to be unconscious – which are not unconscious, for there is no unconscious, but within your terms you consider them to be unconscious – and in this you place very carefully these shrines of your so-called past experiences and patterns of behavior into this area. In this, you remind yourself of these so-called past events that you have built quite glamorous shrines to, that you hold fearfulness within, and you pull these shrines to yourself every so often and view them. You view a physical situation within your present situations and it triggers an element of this shrine, to which you automatically unlock the safe that contains this shrine and pull your shrine, that you may view once again and reinforce your own fearfulness. In this, within certain situations of relationships, you also reinforce fearfulness within the other individual; your partner.

I have expressed previously to your partner that great supportiveness is held within you to her, and she is untrusting of this, and this is reinforcing of your own shrines; of your own past experiences, in your terms. Therefore, you reinforce each other within your relationship. I express to you that you each may more efficiently serve yourselves and each other by looking to yourselves now, and your accomplishments, and what you may offer to each other NOW.

JIM: And to stop the cycle of fearfulness.

ELIAS: Correct. You each hold much information within yourselves. You hold much subjective awareness of yourselves and of each other. Draw upon this and look to NOW, not to past behavior.

JIM: Hmm. Okay. (Pause)

JIM: ... Recently, in trying to be helpful to someone who had an illness, you suggested that person might look – this was a person in England (1) – that person might look inward to the actual physical organs, and your words were, ‘Relax their intensity and allow them to return to their natural state.’ I think this is how, through my own visualization and meditation, that I arrived at countering the cancer within me. Is this correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

JIM: I have recently, in addition to using visualization, used words, repetitive phrases, and a repetitive phrase specifically was that I embrace complete reliance on the inner power of my subconscious mind, and just repeat that over and over. How do these two different ways ... which is the stronger way? The visualization, or the repetition of thoughts?

ELIAS: They are equal. Within the visualization, you are connecting objectively with the area that you are holding the energy within your physical form. Therefore, you allow yourself the identification of this. Within your method of repetitive statements to your subjective awareness, you are allowing yourself the opportunity to objectively be connecting subjectively with your objective and subjective awareness. In this, you are accomplishing two-fold. You are accomplishing, within your objective awareness, with a connection with your subjective awareness, and you are also connecting with your objective awareness to your actual body functioning and your holding of energy, which is affecting in the area of disease. Therefore, you are connecting in both manners, allowing yourself to be affecting of the situation.

Many individuals attempt to be healing themselves, in what they view to be healing themselves – their desire or their wish is to be healing themselves – and in not holding an objective ‘method,’ which you are all so very fond of looking for, they attempt to be focusing upon the affected area within their physical form, but what they are neglecting is the communication subjectively. Subjectively, you are directing of the energy which is directing your physical form, and as you continue to allow subjective communication to be continuing in the area of creating disease, you shall not be affecting this.

You may view objectively, quite extensively, at a creation that you are aware that you have created in the area of disease within your physical body, and you may not be affecting of this; for if you are merely looking to the objective expression, the disease, and not allowing yourself communication objectively with subjective activity, you shall not be affecting. This be the reason that I have offered to these individuals within this forum recently the exercise of creating an inner landscape, for this shall be communicating objectively to the subjective awareness (2). They are within harmony. Therefore, the subjective awareness continues to create as long as the objective does not interfere, but as the objective may be interfering by creating an inner landscape or communicating with the subjective awareness, then there is an affectingness. Within the time period that your objective awareness is not communicating to subjective awareness, it is within agreement of whatever the subjective awareness is creating, and your body consciousness is in complete agreement with your subjective instruction. Therefore, what you have created is a method of your own to be communicating not only objectively with your body consciousness and its situation and its holding of energy, creating disease, but also you have connected with the subjective communication and have sent messages, figuratively speaking, to your subjective awareness to be altering of its communication to the body consciousness, therefore affecting.

JIM: Somehow I have created ... I’m not sure I understand the concept of the inner landscape. I have created the inner landscape?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking; not in the same direction that I have expressed previously as an exercise, but basically you have accomplished the same thing.

JIM: Okay. Through my visualization and communication, it seems I have set up a sensitivity – a physical sensitivity – in the organ which had the cancer, and if there is some conflict or some negative thinking, I will know this within a matter of minutes because my organ will react as if it’s tight, as if there’s a blockage of energy. Sometimes I can release that blockage of energy, and sometimes I can’t. I’m not sure where I’m driving with this question other than to state, is this accurate? Is this what I’ve done?

ELIAS: Correct. Yes. You do this for your own attention. This attains your attention. You are quite focused upon this area of disease and that you have uncreated this situation of disease, but you have also allowed yourself a sensitivity to particular areas of your physical body that you may be attaining your own attention with. This has served you well in becoming a sensitive element for yourself; a tool for yourself. You have developed this as a physical warning sign to yourself; an element that you may be connecting to objectively that shall gain your attention immediately, and you shall realize what you are creating and in this offer yourself information and opportunities for new choices to be altering your perception, and in this altering your reality.

JIM: Hmm. That’s amazing. Is tapping into one’s subconscious or subjective mind the same as tapping into one’s essence? Is this a manifestation of the essence, the subconscious mind?

(Vic’s note: For the next minute or two, there were trick-or-treaters knocking on the door, which I was trying to ignore.)

ELIAS: In part. That which you term to be subconscious is that aspect which I term to be your subjective awareness, which is directly related to this physical focus. It is a greater awareness than what you view objectively, for you narrow yourself objectively and you hold your attention very singularly objectively. Subjectively, you allow yourself much more freedom and you allow yourself communication with essence. Therefore, in part you are tapping into information of essence within your subjective awareness, but it is not the entirety of essence, for it is concerned with this particular physical focus. (The kids are being quite persistent!)

(To Vic) You may be acknowledging of your goblins!

VICKI: I didn’t want to be interrupting!

ELIAS: It is not interrupting. It matters not! I wish not to be disappointing of your little ghosts! (So, I answered the door. You should have seen those kids peering into the room. Elias was sitting less that twenty feet from the front door, facing it full-on, and he just kept right on talking. I wonder what those kids thought!)

Let me express to you that you hold all of essence within you. Subjectively, you hold access to all of essence and all of its information. But what you term to be the unconscious or subconscious element of yourself is that subjective element of your awareness that is concerned with the individual physical focus; not the entirety of physical focus, but the individual physical focus; you. You hold the ability to access through this awareness all of the information of essence, which is all of the information of consciousness; but if not accessing all of this information, you concern yourself subjectively merely with the creating of this physical focus.

(Intently) It is an intricate, immaculate process; that you create your reality subjectively within Regional Area 2, which filters into your awareness of Regional Area 1 within perfect harmony and perfectly at each moment, for your experience. (Pause)

JIM: Hmm. Another question relating to disease: If a person can uncreate cancer, presumably he can uncreate any disease.

ELIAS: Quite! You are absolutely correct. Disease is a choice, and you may choose within any moment to discontinue the action. You within physical focus look to this action as miracles, but it is quite within your ability at every moment. It is merely a choice.

JIM: And it can be done basically the same way that I have – like you say, a method – the same way that I have approached the cure of cancer, the uncreation of cancer. It can be done the same way.

ELIAS: It is dependent upon the individual. Each individual creates their own disease for their own reasoning. Therefore, there is no one method that may be blanketly given to all individuals and expressed, ‘This shall work,’ for another individual may be moving into the direction of your method and it may not be accomplished, for their intent and their desire may be different and their probabilities may be different. Their reasoning may be different. Your reasoning and your probabilities involve a new situation within your focus, one of increased hopefulness and joyfulness, which you have chosen within moving into a new relationship. Therefore, you offer yourself within your desire the reason to be continuing and to be eliminating of your disease, for this shall be interfering with your continuation within your new relationship. Other individuals may not hold this same reasoning. It is dependent upon each individual and what they are creating within their own focus and their own value fulfillment.

JIM: Why did I create this?

ELIAS: In part, for your own awareness. In part, for your own validation to yourself, for information that you acquire now and shall be acquiring futurely, and for your validation that there is more beyond what you view physically within your narrow attention within this physical focus. This validates to you the vastness of essence and the accomplishments that you may be creating within your physical focus. It also serves as a validation of this shift in consciousness occurring presently. It also serves as a reminder of what you may be creating, and therefore it also serves you well in creating futurely in areas that you consider to be positive and not negative. You have created this quite efficiently in many areas!

JIM: ... Okay. One question, returning to the concept of cancer: Dogs get cancer. Do they create their own cancer?

ELIAS: Yes.

JIM: Do they have a ... they must have subjective mind.

ELIAS: Correct.

JIM: And they make choices?

ELIAS: Correct; although not in the same direction that you create choices.

JIM: Much more limited choices?

ELIAS: They are much more simple. They do not create in the same direction that you create. Their reasoning is much more simplified.

Creatures create diseases that your species creates as a result of your species. They have acquired the ability to be creating the same disease that you create, for YOU have created it, but their reasoning is much more simplified, and in their creation they are aware that they are creating an element that shall lead to their disengagement. Therefore, they are purposefully creating this. It is merely YOUR choices that you alter the creature’s creation by interfering with its creation. It has learned to create what you create, but it does not uncreate this situation if creating a severity of it. It allows for itself to be disengaging within its creation, but your species interferes and alters the creature’s creation by introducing it to your belief systems and your medical professions.

JIM: They must have learned it all from a subjective level.

ELIAS: Not necessarily. It is within a harmony. They learn this creation within a harmony of objective and subjective.

JIM: That gives them the ability to empathize far beyond what we would think.

ELIAS: Absolutely! They view you, they connect with your creations within physical focus, and they learn your creativity!” [session 232, October 31, 1997]

VICKI: “Okay. The other thing that I wanted to bring up tonight if there was time – which it seems to be a pretty quiet group – is about transition. There seems to be a lot of distortion within this concept of transition. A lot of people seem to equate the idea of transition with dying, and if somebody is in transition, that means that they’re dying, in a lot of people’s interpretations. I think it’s created a lot of ... I don’t know ... misinterpretations of what’s being said within the context of the information. I have two questions about this actually, but first, I wonder if maybe you would redefine transition briefly at this point, for people that are new readers of transcripts.

ELIAS: There are several actions of transition. There is transition from non-physical into physical, which is not connected with dying! (Grinning) This would be the transitioning, the movement from non-physical areas into physical form, which may not necessarily be THIS particular dimension, but any physical dimension. There is an acclimation which is made into a physical dimension, for it is unfamiliar. Therefore, you allow yourselves a time framework to be acclimating yourselves into the reality of a physical dimension. Within this particular physical dimension, this may be moved into within six to twelve years. An individual may fully acclimate themselves into the official objective accepted reality as young as six years. At times, they may not be acclimating for twelve years, or any between.

Some individuals do not fully acclimate within this transition to your officially accepted objective reality. Some individuals choose to be holding to more of their subjective reality. These individuals you view as unstable and expressing lunacy, for they do not comply with your officially accepted reality and hold to much of their subjective reality. Therefore, these individuals do not complete, so to speak, the transition action of acclimating into your physical focus, and continue transitioning throughout their focus. Other individuals transition into physical focus, acclimate, continue within your officially accepted reality, and choose to be transitioning into non-physical focus while they are continuing within their physical focus.

Moving from physical focus into non-physical focus ALWAYS involves a transition, for you hold belief systems within physical focus and your attention is focused singularly in one area. Therefore, it is necessary for you to transition into non-physical focus again, for non-physical focus does not hold belief systems and your attention is not singularly focused. Therefore, you may not move instantaneously from physical focus into non-physical focus without a transition period. This would be an action of explosion, so to speak, for your attention is singularly focused within any physical reality. Therefore, your attention only understands that reality. If moving instantaneously into non-physical simultaneous time, viewing all focuses and the vastness of essence, the focus would not comprehend. We are speaking of the focuses, not the entirety of essence! Therefore, the focus must be shedding the belief systems of the physical reality and widening its awareness and its attention to encompass all of essence. This may be accomplished partially within a physical focus.

Many individuals choose not to be engaging this action within physical focus, and in this they shall continue until the moment of their so-called death and then enter into the area of transition. Many individuals, though, ARE choosing to be engaging this action of transition while they are continuing within their physical focus. They may begin this action of transition at any moment. This is not to say that if they are engaging within the action of transition that they shall die, or that they are leading to their inevitable death! Although you are all leading to your inevitable death! (Laughter) But the action of transition is not the onset of your downward motion into the ‘depths of death.’ It is merely an action chosen to be addressing to your belief systems, expanding your awareness of your reality, re-engaging yourself with essence, and the action of remembrance while in physical focus; therefore allowing you less of a transitional state once you are entering non-physical.

This is difficult to explain to you, for you think within time frameworks. Therefore, you automatically magnate to the thought process that if you are engaging transition within physical focus, you shall engage ten years of transition and you shall eliminate ten years of transition within non-physical. This is not the case, for there is no ‘years’ in non-physical! You are merely allowing yourself the opportunity to be addressing to belief systems within physical focus, and therefore as you move into non-physical focus this need not be as greatly a concern or action, which allows you an increased freedom to be addressing to OTHER actions within transition within non-physical areas, actions that you may not address within physical focus.

You may not accomplish the entirety of transition within physical focus, for you occupy your attention within a time framework. You also are occupied within a reality that holds belief systems.

I have expressed to you many times: You shall not be within this particular physical dimension without belief systems. You may accept belief systems; you may alter belief systems; but you shall always hold belief systems within this particular dimension, for this is how you have created this particular dimension. If you are not wishing to be holding belief systems, you may focus your attention within another physical dimension which may not hold belief systems. Within THIS particular physical dimension and very many others, you DO hold belief systems, which do not fit into a vaster area of consciousness. It is merely a choice of experience within one dimension.

Within the action of transition within physical focus, you allow yourself remembrances. You allow yourself the opportunity to remember self and essence. You offer yourselves examples, viewings, actions – of consciousness, of essence, of more than your singular attention within an individual focus. You allow yourselves to reconnect with yourselves and the vastness of self. You may be choosing to engage this action for very few of your years within a time framework, or you may be engaging this action for very many of your years within your time framework. If you are accomplishing this within an expanded time framework, you shall confuse yourself less, for you slow your action. You allow yourself your time to be viewing singularly. You allow yourself your time framework to be viewing events one-by-one. If you are choosing to be engaging this action within a small time framework, you create your senility and you confuse yourself, for you enter simultaneous time. You do this also if affording yourself a longer time framework, but it is not quite as confusing to you, for it is momentary. Therefore, you excuse the experiences away: ‘I have lost time. My time is moving very slowly. I am experiencing déjà vu.’

If you are experiencing senility, the experiences are all happening at once and may not be excused away and you may be viewed as exhibiting lunacy, for you have become confused with your time element. If you are allowing yourself the longer time framework, as a parent you may view a child and momentarily see that child at a different age. You express to yourselves that this is memory, reminiscing, and imagination. If you are entering the action of senility, you view the child at a different age and many different ages and you speak to them at that age, for you have eliminated your time framework to an extent; not entirely, but to an extent. Therefore, you view your child, which is an adult within officially accepted reality of this dimension, and you speak to this child as a small one, for you view this child as a small one, for you have pierced the veil of your time framework. The child does not understand, for within officially accepted reality of this dimension, it is an adult. It does not view all of the aspects of self, but you do. Therefore, you are labeled as experiencing lunacy. In actuality you are experiencing partial elements in preparation of simultaneous time within a particular focus, allowing you the preparation of moving into non-physical focus and not experiencing as much confusion initially.

The choice to be entering into the action of transition from physical into non-physical is not related to death in the manner that your thought processes proceed. ALL is related to death, for this is what you create – a movement through physical focus to be accomplishing death! From the moment that you enter physical focus, you continue upon a sojourn to be accomplishing death! But transition is not a disease. It is not the action of causing your inevitable death.

VICKI: It doesn’t really have anything to do with how you choose to disengage, correct?

ELIAS: No.

VICKI: So you could choose a debilitating, fatal disease, and die very slowly physically over a period of six months, and this would have nothing to do with a choice of engaging transition.

ELIAS: No. You may never choose to engage transition and you may choose a disease that shall be creating of your death and engage transition after your death, or you may choose excellent health and you may choose to be engaging transition for thirty or fifty years.

VICKI: You said that people always go through a transitional period from physical to non-physical focus.

ELIAS: Correct.

VICKI: When people are born into physical focus, there are people that are born and live for a very short period of time – five minutes, a day. Are those people not necessarily choosing that then?

ELIAS: They also shall be engaging an action of transition to non-physical.

VICKI: I’m talking about from non-physical to physical.

ELIAS: Correct. The exception of the transition state is only in such cases that the essence has not entered a focus. The essence may enter the focus at conception, or it may enter the focus after physical birth. If not entering into the focus, there is no transition; but if in your terms one minute is experienced within physical focus of the essence entering the focus into the physical dimension, a transition occurs at disengagement. A transition occurs at entering. They may be simultaneous within your time framework, but it shall occur.

LISA: ... Can I ask you a question? The scientists on our planet think that various diseases or mental illnesses, etcetera, that a lot of things are passed genetically through DNA. So is that a belief system or is that really the truth? Do you know what I’m saying? Is that a cosmic reality or whatever?

ELIAS: No.

LISA: It’s all a belief system??

ELIAS: Correct.

LISA: No!

CATHY: Just what you wanted to hear! (Much laughter)

LISA: Does that mean everything I think and see and feel is a belief system?? Where’s the truth?

ELIAS: You would not understand truth ...

LISA: I wouldn’t?

ELIAS: ... if it was presented to you. It holds little meaning within your dimension presently.

LISA: The truth holds little meaning within our dimension?

ELIAS: For your belief systems are your truths!

LISA: So science is all a farce?? It’s just a belief system?? I won’t go there because I’ve sure you’ve been there a million times in other sessions, so....

ELIAS: It is not a farce. It is your reality. All that you create within this dimension are reality within this dimension. They may not hold significance within another dimension, but they are reality within this dimension. All that you create within ALL dimensions and all of consciousness is reality. It merely may not hold significance to another reality, but that does not diminish its significance within this reality.

LISA: So there is significance to DNA?

ELIAS: Within this reality.

LISA: So things CAN be passed genetically?

ELIAS: Within your creations and your alignment with what you have created, but it is not a rule, for you may deviate from the officially accepted reality at any moment.

LISA: Yeah, you can overcome your genetics.

ELIAS: You may ALTER your genetics.

LISA: A mind over matter kind of thing? Meaning mind over matter? (Elias grins, and we all crack up) Okay, I’ll just shut up!

ELIAS: Not necessarily mind over matter, for mind and matter are one. Therefore, there is no ‘one over the other.’ They are in harmony. In this, it is merely a question of choice.

You hold endless choices within probabilities. Therefore, you merely create a choice and you actualize that choice. If you are choosing to align with your officially accepted reality, you shall create within the confines and direction of your genetics. If you are choosing not to be aligning with your officially accepted reality, you may move outside of the direction of your genetics. It is merely a choice.

You are not bound by what you believe to be your officially accepted reality. You may alter this reality at any moment. You choose – en masse, not you – for you have chosen to be creating of this officially accepted reality, for you hold countless other realities in which you may be creating other choices, and you choose to be engaging this reality for its particular experiences. Therefore, it is unnecessary, for the most part, to be stepping outside of this officially accepted reality.

Even individuals that choose to not be entirely aligning with the officially accepted reality DO align with many aspects of it. Individuals that you view to be insane are choosing not to be aligning with the entirety of officially accepted reality, but their physical form functions the same as does yours, for they DO align with certain aspects of the officially accepted reality. They breathe air, as do you breathe air. They do not swim like a fish underneath your water and breathe water! They walk upon your earth, as do you. They function the same as do you. Their hair grows, as does yours. They walk, as do you. Their form creates the same as yours creates. They speak in the same language, with words, as do you. But they do not entirely align with your officially accepted reality. Therefore, partially they move outside of the bounds of this particular reality, but continue to experience elements of this particular reality.

You may accomplish the same in many different aspects. You may choose to be regenerating of tissue if you are so inclined, which is outside of your officially accepted reality and belief systems. You may choose to be altering your DNA, which is outside of your officially accepted reality. It is merely a choice. But this is not to discount your reality, for it is reality and you have chosen to be aligning with it. Therefore, if you are acquiring a genetic disease, you are choosing to align with your official reality. This is merely not to say that you hold no options to alter this reality. It is placing no right or wrong or good or bad to your choices. They are merely your choices for experience.” [session 247, December 07, 1997]

(Vic’s note: the following session was held directly after Julie’s session, as Stella had been experiencing some very affecting physical symptoms.)

Elias arrives at 8:42 PM.

ELIAS: “Good evening.

STELLA: Hi, Elias. Well, here I am. I have no idea what’s going on. I don’t like what’s going on. I don’t know. I came here because I’m asking for your help. I just need help. I really do. I don’t like doing this and I don’t want to, so if you can share with me what I can do to quit doing whatever it is, I will do it right now. (Elias chuckles) And don’t laugh! This is not fun!

ELIAS: You are experiencing elements of transition. Your objective awareness responds, for you are fading in and out. You are allowing yourself a temporary action of what may be considered as your ‘in-between’ state, but within the engagement of this objectively within physical focus, at times you may view this to be uncomfortable.

We have spoken of transition with individuals experiencing what you term to be senility. The reason that this is viewed as a disease is that the individuals experiencing transition in this manner exhibit physical situations also. It is not merely a situation of appearing to be delusional. Your physicians treat this condition with medication, for the individuals experience physical disorientation, dizziness, discomfort within their physical form, pain, for they are entering areas of consciousness that are unfamiliar within this dimension. They are merging non-physical aspects to physical dimension, which in a sense, in a physical sense, is unnatural, for it does not fit within your officially accepted reality. The medication that is offered by your physicians to these individuals offers little relief, for the physicians do not understand what they are treating. Therefore, as the All-Knowing Physician, (grinning) I shall offer to you: You are not in need of medication.

I may offer to you that you have created a situation within yourself of lending energy to yourself of disengagement. Therefore, you also onslaught yourself with your transitional state. Within your belief system underlying, you must hurry! You must be creating all of your transition befor